SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

supervc-10 · 22 May 2019

Could they be capacitive? The internal Pendolino doors are touch sensitive and I think they probably work using a capacitive system.

This is the same tech used in modern glass touchscreens on phones/tablets etc.

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Bletchleyite · 22 May 2019

Is there a problem with these doors on SWR specifically? Unlike Bombardier products where them not working seems to be the rule, I can't recall the last time I saw a Desiro internal door not working on a LNR 350.

swt_passenger · 22 May 2019

Bletchleyite said:
Is there a problem with these doors on SWR specifically? Unlike Bombardier products where them not working seems to be the rule, I can't recall the last time I saw a Desiro internal door not working on a LNR 350.

I don’t think anyone’s suggested there’s much of a problem at all. There’s a post about people isolating the doors using the overhead green button, and then there was a possible problem noted followed by a question about how the normal buttons on the actual doors work? I’ve never known the normal operating buttons to fail, I suspect it’s comparatively rare.

TEW · 22 May 2019

The doors do seem fairly temperamental, issues with the doors in to the First Class area in 450s seem to be the worst for some reason. Often 1 of them will be isolated because it is not opening properly.

swt_passenger · 22 May 2019

TEW said:
The doors do seem fairly temperamental, issues with the doors in to the First Class area in 450s seem to be the worst for some reason. Often 1 of them will be isolated because it is not opening properly.

Oh well, maybe I’ve just been lucky...

Dougal2345 · 22 May 2019

supervc-10 said:
Could they be capacitive? The internal Pendolino doors are touch sensitive and I think they probably work using a capacitive system.

This is the same tech used in modern glass touchscreens on phones/tablets etc.

I'm not sure, they seem to require a certain amount of pressure before they work, but maybe this is just so that enough flesh gets spread across the (capactive) area to activate it...?

Bletchleyite · 22 May 2019

Dougal2345 said:
I'm not sure, they seem to require a certain amount of pressure before they work, but maybe this is just so that enough flesh gets spread across the (capactive) area to activate it...?

I'll play next time I'm on a 350 if I remember, but I think they do indeed require some pressure. On some LNR 350s they've been replaced with more conventional buttons. On the cab end you can use the handle or the button, I always use the handle myself.

Faults with these doors on the (identical) 350s are rare - is there a maintenance problem here?

Even if they are capacitive that's not stranger than the Class 170s on which the button is just a picture of one, and an overhead motion sensor is triggered when you move your hand into the position where you could press it!

K.o.R · 22 May 2019

The original yellow buttons on the vestibule doors are awful. Some doors have had them replaced with a light-up red button that changes to green when you activate it. Much much more likely to work.

SWRtrain_fan · 22 May 2019

Dougal2345 said:
Incidentally what principle do the hard, round, illuminated buttons on a Desiro internal door use - is it pressure, or heat, or something else? They seem so solid I don't think it's pressure, but I'm not sure...

I think the Desiro internal door buttons are slightly touch-sensitive - every time I use them, I really don't have to press them hard

theironroad · 22 May 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Agree about the HVAC and of course general ambience, but fireballs? Really? I am sure there must be a whole host of other calamities that have more of a chance of happening on our incredibly safe railway system.

Incidentally, on the Windsor Lines where 1st Class is declassified many guards make a point of opening the partition doors to the first class area.

Talking of fire risks, London Underground has far tighter fire regulations for obvious reasons, but doesn't consider it necessary to have partitions at carriage ends in its new stock.

I agree, but was a reason mentioned during training when they were introduced. Obviously train design has moved on anyway.

theironroad · 22 May 2019

K.o.R said:
The original yellow buttons on the vestibule doors are awful. Some doors have had them replaced with a light-up red button that changes to green when you activate it. Much much more likely to work.

They really are awful and how they ever got approved I don't know. The newer ones you mention are certainly better.

As much as I don't really like pendolinos, the big touch sensitive buttons they have are among the best I've seen.

Goldfish62 · 23 May 2019

theironroad said:
I agree, but was a reason mentioned during training when they were introduced. Obviously train design has moved on anyway.

Ah right, thanks. Maybe it was a perceived way to incentivise making sure the doors were always to closed!

SWRtrain_fan · 23 May 2019

I have found a picture of a refurbished 450 with blue grab poles and blue door button surrounds on Instagram, if SWR are going to make all grab poles blue, this is fantastic! Credit to itsjammyjoey

pompeyfan · 23 May 2019

That’s an IG filter that’s changed the colour.... nice try though.

nuts & bolts · 23 May 2019

Bletchleyite said:
I'll play next time I'm on a 350 if I remember, but I think they do indeed require some pressure. On some LNR 350s they've been replaced with more conventional buttons. On the cab end you can use the handle or the button, I always use the handle myself.

Faults with these doors on the (identical) 350s are rare - is there a maintenance problem here?

Even if they are capacitive that's not stranger than the Class 170s on which the button is just a picture of one, and an overhead motion sensor is triggered when you move your hand into the position where you could press it!

The 350/1 & 2 as with 450's suffer from the same problem of excessive use. It's usually at only one end of 1st class compartment rather than both failing.

SWRtrain_fan · 25 May 2019

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but is the Desiro refurb currently completely on-hold, or it it just being done at a slower rate?

WVL14 · 25 May 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but is the Desiro refurb currently completely on-hold, or it it just being done at a slower rate?

Slowed down (if that was possible)... As it should have been completed by May 2019, SWR booked to run 119 x 450s and 42 x 444s Mon-Fri.
As a result, Eastleigh now have 1 x 444 and 2 x 450s at any one time.

WVL14 · 25 May 2019

On site at Eastleigh at the moment are:

444039 (unit 20) since 21/05

450010 (unit 39) since 04/05
450001 (unit 42) since 18/05

Units 40 and 41 in the programme have overtaken 450010 which remains at Eastleigh owing to a defect.

SWRtrain_fan · 25 May 2019

WVL14 said:
On site at Eastleigh at the moment are:

444039 (unit 20) since 21/05

450010 (unit 39) since 04/05
450001 (unit 42) since 18/05

Units 40 and 41 in the programme have overtaken 450010 which remains at Eastleigh owing to a defect.

Ok thanks. By the way, how are you able to find out which units are on site at Eastleigh?

SWRtrain_fan · 26 May 2019

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Partially refurbished 450s:

003, 006, 007, 011, 014, 026, 027, 028, 030, 031, 035, 036, 040, 074, 076, 086, 087, 093, 099, 109, 110, 124, 126(23 units)

Full refurbishment of trains:

444s:
003, 005, 006, 007, 008, 010, 013, 015, 019, 020, 025, 029, 033, 034, 035*, 038, 039, 040, 042, 044 & 045.(20 units completed)(44% complete)

450s:
001, 005, 008, 010, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 019, 020, 024, 025, 032, 033, 037, 038, 041, 543*, 073, 075, 079, 080, 081, 082, 083, 084, 085, 091, 094, 095, 097, 100, 102, 103, 105, 106, 111, 112, 113, 115, 117, 119, 121, 122 and 125(45 units completed)(35% complete)

*currently being done

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

Dan15812 · 28 May 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
012*

Out of interest, how did you find out it was being done?

SWRtrain_fan · 28 May 2019

Dan15812 said:
Out of interest, how did you find out it was being done?

Someone told me

Dan15812 · 28 May 2019

So is 444039 now complete and back into service?
Has the problem with 450010 been sorted out and is it back into service?
Does anyone know the next 444 for Refurbishment?
Thanks

SWRtrain_fan · 28 May 2019

I think 450010s issue was sorted out. Apparently it takes 7 days to refurbish a 444, which is why I assumed 444039 was done, or it might not be. I'm not sure what the next 444 to be refurbished is.

Dan15812 · 28 May 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
I think 450010s issue was sorted out. Apparently it takes 7 days to refurbish a 444, which is why I assumed 444039 was done, or it might not be. I'm not sure what the next 444 to be refurbished is.

Thanks for your help, i'm shore WVL14 will know.

SWRtrain_fan · 28 May 2019

Sorry if this question is slightly old, but do the 158s/159s have internal SWR signage like the Desiros now?(the Quiet Zone signs and SWR stickers on the vestibule doors e.t.c)

Train Boy · 28 May 2019

444039 worked the 0820 Weymouth to Waterloo today. 450010 was also out, I believe on Basingstoke/Alton services.

Dan15812 · 29 May 2019

So will the SWR 158/159's receive a more major refurbishment like the GWR ones with the Side wall cladding re-done with passenger info screens, new toilets and first class etc.

59CosG95 · 29 May 2019

Dan15812 said:
So will the SWR 158/159's receive a more major refurbishment like the GWR ones with the Side wall cladding re-done with passenger info screens, new toilets and first class etc.

The 158/8s and 159/1s have already been refurbished at Brush (Loughborough) as part of SWT's C6 overhaul programme, with them all receiving the updated 159-style livery (barring 158887, 158888 & 158890 - which received SWR colours as the new franchise had begun at this point).
All of them still have the SWT interior.

The 159/0s are going through the programme now, and all are returning in SWR livery (in various variations of it; if you want to find the devil in the detail, make sure you're sitting comfortably - there's 67 pages to peruse!). The first examples still kept the SWT interior, but more recent examples have returned with newer blue SWR upholstery in both classes - this would be a 'refreshed' interior rather than a 'refurbished' one. The full refurbishment programme, with all its bells & whistles, has yet to begin.

lsdghasu · 29 May 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
Sorry if this question is slightly old, but do the 158s/159s have internal SWR signage like the Desiros now?(the Quiet Zone signs and SWR stickers on the vestibule doors e.t.c)

Yes, they do. Last time I was on a 159 it had the new internal SWR signage like the desiros.

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