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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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Amaroussi

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I voted to remain back in 2016, because the debate over the EU membership referendum became so toxic that the status quo was the safest option for me.

If the remain vote had won, none of the mess would have happened: I hate to say this, but I would not be so close to taking my own life on many occasions for being denied a future enhanced by free movement of goods and services.
 
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If the remain vote had won, none of the mess would have happened: I hate to say this, but I would not be so close to taking my own life on many occasions for being denied a future enhanced by free movement of goods and services.

Being completely serious here - please, please go to the doctor's or wherever and get proper help if you still feel like that. Even with the worst possible outcome of Brexit (I'm thinking actual war and wholly closed borders - not even a particularly viable outcome) it would not be a reason to take your life. There are always options.
 

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Are you proposing we give a certain group, that forms less than 1.5% of the UK population, a veto on the outcome of brexit?

It seems to me that unionists in Northern Ireland are among the biggest losers from the referendum result, and the DUP now regret backing brexit.
I suggest we give EVERYONE a veto on Brexit, if it means part of our country gets either cut off or removed completey. Losing Norn was NOT on any Leave propaganda, and it was only the likes of myself that dared mention "have you thought of the Irish Border?" before the referendum.
So no, I'm not prepared to lose part of my country for the sake of Brexit.
And in any case, if it happens the troubles of the 70's will resurface multifold.
 

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Being completely serious here - please, please go to the doctor's or wherever and get proper help if you still feel like that. Even with the worst possible outcome of Brexit (I'm thinking actual war and wholly closed borders - not even a particularly viable outcome) it would not be a reason to take your life. There are always options.
If in that ultimate case which surely won't happen, not even under the Brexitiest of Brexits, and we become imprisoned like North Korean's are....I wonder? I certainly don't want to be stuck somewhere I can't get out of, either for pleasure, work or retirement.

But as I say, I think we will be able to travel fairly unhindered, save for the ETIAS scheme and the loss of the EHIC and possible restrictions on those with conditions*, but the latter two will certainly be much more difficult.

*Which would be appalling.
 

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If in that ultimate case which surely won't happen, not even under the Brexitiest of Brexits, and we become imprisoned like North Korean's are....I wonder? I certainly don't want to be stuck somewhere I can't get out of, either for pleasure, work or retirement.

But as I say, I think we will be able to travel fairly unhindered, save for the ETIAS scheme and the loss of the EHIC and possible restrictions on those with conditions*, but the latter two will certainly be much more difficult.

*Which would be appalling.

The brexiters want British people to lose their freedom of movement. They want to remove the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU from the British people.

This will have a very major impact on some people's lives.
 
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The brexiters want British people to lose their freedom of movement. They want to remove the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU from the British people.

This will have a very major impact on some people's lives.
Actually they probably want British people to have freedom to go anywhere and do anything just because they're British, but not to extend that right to citizens of other countries. But given the choice, those that ackowledge that you can't have one without the other choose to deny both these freedoms rather than allowing both.
 

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Actually they probably want British people to have freedom to go anywhere and do anything just because they're British, but not to extend that right to citizens of other countries. But given the choice, those that ackowledge that you can't have one without the other choose to deny both these freedoms rather than allowing both.
Are we the only country ever to vote to lose our freedom?
 

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Depends on what you mean by freedom as outside Europe I don't believe anywhere else has the same freedom of movement rights within their content or trade agreement areas
Inside Europe's a pretty darned big place.
 

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The brexiters want British people to lose their freedom of movement. They want to remove the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU from the British people.

This will have a very major impact on some people's lives.

Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population.

Life is about choices and trade-offs. Not being able to afford a house or having to move away from family will likely be higher on the priority list than a mythical ability to work in another country which most people will never take up.
 

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Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population.
Absolutely. If you aren't a third generation Cockney you shouldn't be allowed to live within three miles of Bow. Far too much gentrification going on.

There is no magic correct unit of measure for where people should be restricted, we are all on this one planet together.
 

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Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population
or fuelled by pensioners from elsewhere. Like English in Spain, Scotland, France. :E
 

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In which case maybe Switzerland and Greenland

Eh? Switzerland gained free movement in 2002 when they signed a bilateral deal with the EU and have not lost free movement since. There was a scare after the 2014 referendum when 50.3% voted to put quotas on immigration, but when the impracticality of implementing that became apparent, the Swiss government effectively cancelled the proposals.
 

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Depends on what you mean by freedom as outside Europe I don't believe anywhere else has the same freedom of movement rights within their content or trade agreement areas

There is free movement between New Zealand and Australia. Canada and the US don't have free movement to other countries but they are huge countries with areas not much less than the entire EU. If the UK loses free movement its citizens will have one of the smallest territories to roam in the developed world.
 

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Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population.

House prices in most of the UK have fallen in real terms since 2008. In Scotland, the North and Northern Ireland prices have even fallen in absolute cash terms over that period. NI has fallen 27%! Taking inflation into account, house prices in NI have dropped by more than half. The house price bubble in the SE is primarily due to speculation. The overvaluation is clearly evident by the low rental yields in that region.
 

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Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population.

Life is about choices and trade-offs. Not being able to afford a house or having to move away from family will likely be higher on the priority list than a mythical ability to work in another country which most people will never take up.

Nobody forces you to live where house prices are high. You are free to move too.
 

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Depends on what you mean by freedom as outside Europe I don't believe anywhere else has the same freedom of movement rights within their content or trade agreement areas

British people do have that right and Theresa May wants to take it away from them.
 

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Conversely, freedom of movement also has an impact on the lives of people who find house prices in their local area have become inflated due to demand versus supply, with demand having been fuelled by rising population.

Life is about choices and trade-offs. Not being able to afford a house or having to move away from family will likely be higher on the priority list than a mythical ability to work in another country which most people will never take up.

I thought the right are in favour of high house prices?
 

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What % of Brits move abroad to work? Must be extremely low so not high on the ordinary person's priority list.
 

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There's no barrier to studying abroad - doesn't really matter where you're from or where you want to study (as long as you can afford it)
 

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What % of Brits move abroad to work? Must be extremely low so not high on the ordinary person's priority list.

Well if moving abroad to work is not on "the ordinary persons" priority list why should the right of those who do want to work abroad be taken away from them?
 

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That's kind of the point? Otherwise you will have to pay full international student rates. Some countries have free universities for EU citizens.
Really? Why are UK students paying massive fees to study here then? I was just thinking of the amount of Chinese students at UK universities, UK students at US universities etc.
 
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