I've noticed SWR often share the short formations about to make it 'fairer' and to spread the pain around - downside is it means it becomes more unpredictable as to whether the train you plan to catch will be short formed or not
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That’s somewhat dependent on how the diagrams interwork across different routes though. That must follow from keeping the 442s on most fast Portsmouths.
IIRC there was a discussion a few months ago suggesting there’s been a change with the latest timetable resulting in far less interworking, at least at the Waterloo end, and most longer distance trains now go back to where they came from, and this has had a knock on effect on platform occupation times?
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Yes, that’s what the carriage working notices show. Also as shown in RTT for today, it is supposed to join to another single 450 at Southampton Central in P2, the waiting front portion is the previous arrival from Portsmouth Harbour, 2E52 arrives 1737. Departure in the 1755 path towards Waterloo.
2B64 doesn’t seem to be a future 442 service as far as I can see.
They have indeed added more. The 17:23 I believe is one such service. Not sure how the information is compiled.
Maybe it's multiple people working on different diagrams or maybe it's one pweown who can only output so many changes in the time they have to do the work. Hence some appear before others.
If theu could automate the process that would be great for them. I'm assuming it isn't automated.
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Great minds think alike, you’ve saved me making the same point that more evening trains have now appeared.
I was wondering if it’s a shift change during the day, and they are responsible for confirming the evening changes after the dust has settled from the usual morning’s chaos...
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The 1720 Waterloo to Reading is now 1 x 707 vice 2 x 450 and omits Clapham Junction to reduce resultant overcrowding. RTT correctly shows this, but SWR and NR don't admit to it!
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Noted there was an 8.455 diagram on a Reading circuit earlier too. SWT didn't used to shorten Windsor side formations because of a lack of units on the main line side, but I assume this is what SWR have done here (pinching 8.450 from the Reading diagram).
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The 0702 Windsor-Waterloo is booked for an 8-car 455 according to the CWN.
Likewise the 0658 is shown as booked 10-car 458 in the CWN.
Thanks, that's a bit unfortunate as a 450 is a downgrade compared to the 444s previously. People were choosing to stand, (at branksome!), rather than sit between people on the +3, whereas before there were plenty of seats.
Do you by any chance have the peak time carriage workings for the Direct in the absence of the 442s? It would be greatly appreciated!
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No, the CWNs I have assume all the 442s are in service. They were published in late April, I don’t know if they are being re-issued.
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Some of the evening trains, such as 17:30 and 18:30, were listed in the morning though but that's not say it isn't due to a shift change.
When 359s were being used on the Cobham line, I overheard someone say how posh they were. Normal stock on that mine is 455 and now also 455+456. Funny how different people see things differently.
South Western Railway added a 17:18 service to Haslemere, which follows the 17:15.
I'm not saying this would be possible but would a 17:48 service to Haslemere be more useful than a 17:18? When do most people get to Waterloo and would there be more demand at 17:48 vers 17:18? Obviously the 17:15 would have to revert.
Saying this, it maybe that there is demand further down the line making the 17:15 now preferable for those at Guildford or south of. Interestingly, although the 17:15 skips Woking and Worpolesdon, it's still booked to arrive into Guildford at 17:50 and depart at 17:54, the same times as the previous service that did stop at those stations. This is obviously for pathing reasons.
Be interesting to see if the 17:23 is short formed this evening because currently it is not showing. Here is a screenshot of the currently listed short fornations. It includes the 17:30 and 18:30 trains to Portsmouth but no 17:23. Yesterday morning the 17:23 wasn't listed but by the evening it was.
You can get the info at the below link, although it is updated so may have changed when you look.
https://www.journeycheck.com/swr/?
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I was on that yesterday, the guard said that it would normally be 10. I was on the 0802 this morning, another new service, and that too was 5 coaches today.
Whatever, the new faster services are welcome. Or, I suppose, the resupplied fast service, as there used to be a semi-fast until about 2000.
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Last time I looked, the 1748 was needed as a mainline peak buster.
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The paths at 17.48 and now 18.48 are take by mainline peak busters with the Pompey line peak busters occupying the 17.18 and 18.18 paths.
The 17.15 Pompey to provide for the 17.18 has to run via Cobham hence the journey time not changing considerably, the path out of Guildford follows a Great Western Redhill service as before.
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Am I right in assuming the new 20:50, 21:50 & 22:50 services from Waterloo to Salisbury are single units? Or has SWR been kind enough to provide at least 5 coaches to cater for the Woking/Basingstoke passengers
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Single units - these aren’t the only additional fast services to Woking/Basingstoke of an evening with the missing 21.09 and 22.09 services also in giving an additional 2tph
Could anyone be able to say if the Corfe castle train is running Saturday please, it was due to start on the 25th but it's not showing on real time trains, the Corfe to Poole and return show and the Corfe to Waterloo via Yeovil but not the inward
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How comes advance tickets are not available for the new trains that have been added? Notably the 1848 to Poole and the Sundays 1848 from Poole?
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It’s even more complicated than that
For the foreseeable future, that run will be 8 x 455 vice 1 x 707 vice 2 x 450.
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It is running, someone in STP messed up the schedule, so will be changed (probably VSTP) this evening.
The workings for that 159 (which will definitely be an SWR-liveried one):
1L11 - Waterloo to Corfe Castle via The Mule, Weymouth and Wareham.
2G02/3/4/5 - Shuttle to/from Wareham - Poole.
1L66 - Corfe Castle to Waterloo via same routing as before.
Many thanks for that
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Yes, I noticed that, but bizarrely still not stopping at Clapham Junction!It’s even more complicated than that
For the foreseeable future, that run will be 8 x 455 vice 1 x 707 vice 2 x 450.
Why do SWR need to make them reservable? They are arguably relief trains.
You may find it possible to 'book' on them to other destinations if you connect into a reservable train on another route as part of a through journey.
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Scheduled to do that now!
There was a reason for it, but the reasoning escapes me... probably pax loadings.
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