I think you spoke too soon. 16:07 Victoria to Chester apparently left Rochdale on time and still hasn’t arrived at Victoria. The 16:19 to Leeds hasn’t departed yet either.
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I think you spoke too soon. 16:07 Victoria to Chester apparently left Rochdale on time and still hasn’t arrived at Victoria. The 16:19 to Leeds hasn’t departed yet either.
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Glenn1969
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There was some kind of issue with the preceding 1540 Southport train which left Rochdale on time and took 40 minutes to get to Mills Hill. There is no delay information message showing on RTT for this train
Expected 16:43 now.
Glenn1969
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The delayed Southport service has been cancelled beyond Man Vic "due to trespass". The Chester service arrived MCV at approx. 1650. The 1609 Rochdale stopper was also cancelled because of trespass and the 1609 Wigan train from Rochdale was held up 20 minutes at Smithy Bridge.
I really hope there hasn't been a fatality
I really hope there hasn't been a fatality
Glenn1969
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The delayed Chester train has been terminated at Warrington BQ
Glenn1969
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The 1720 from Chester will be started at Warrington. Given that there is no 18xx train that means passengers will have had to wait 3 hours for a Leeds train at Chester. Not ideal on the 1st day of a new service I wouldn't have thought
They’ve accepted Northern Only tickets on the TfW service at Warrington and there should be automatic delay repay too. It’ll have been nearly 2 hours by the time we get there. I suppose it wasn’t Northern’s fault though and they seem to have been keeping good time all day until then.
LNW-GW Joint
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One bizarre feature I have gleaned from RTT is that there are 2 very early ECS runs from Newton Heath to Chester at 0425 and 0430, chasing each other over Chat Moss and through Warrington.
On arrival at Chester, one forms the 0556 to Piccadilly via Northwich, and the other the 0617 to Leeds.
One reason I imagine 2 separate workings are needed is that if the Leeds service goes over to 195s it will not be able to connect to a Sprinter.
The Ellesmere Port starter comes from Lime St at 0510 and runs in service via Warrington to Ellesmere Port, then does a shuffle to Helsby and back, then works the direct service to Leeds.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=NT
On arrival at Chester, one forms the 0556 to Piccadilly via Northwich, and the other the 0617 to Leeds.
One reason I imagine 2 separate workings are needed is that if the Leeds service goes over to 195s it will not be able to connect to a Sprinter.
The Ellesmere Port starter comes from Lime St at 0510 and runs in service via Warrington to Ellesmere Port, then does a shuffle to Helsby and back, then works the direct service to Leeds.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=NT
AP Northern Only Advance tickets are now available from Chester to Leeds, and a variety of other Yorkshire stations, including Bradford and York.
I've just seen Chester on the departure screen at Sowerby Bridge. The train was a 153+158 so evidently 75 mph units can keep time. What are the prospects now for the remaining Calder Valley enhancements promised, i.e. a through train to Manchester Airport and an additional Leeds - Liverpool? The former must be in doubt because of the issues in the Castlefields corridor; the latter would be yet another diesel service over Chat Moss!
Old Yard Dog
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No mention at all of the new Ellesmere Port - Manchester - Bradford - Leeds service in the local Ellesmere Port Standard or Chester Chronicle. I've suggested a possible new item to the former as I suspect Northern Rail are unlikely to be bothered.
berneyarms
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A timetable pdf for the new Northern Chester-Leeds service has now appeared on the Northern website.
Timetable 47:
https://d2cf7kiw5xizhy.cloudfront.net/images/timetables/bucket/chester-to-leeds-2388.pdf
Timetable 47:
https://d2cf7kiw5xizhy.cloudfront.net/images/timetables/bucket/chester-to-leeds-2388.pdf
Old Yard Dog
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Doesn't even give the times at Ellesmere Port
You never know. They might do a special Ellesmere Port to Leeds timetable with all but one of the columns having a footnote “C from Chester”.
berneyarms
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It’s hardly that difficult to look timetable 15 up surely for that?
We are only talking about one train a day.
Some passengers were travelling on the Northern service from Chester to Warrington Bank Quay who had tickets from Bangor to Glasgow. So clearly at least a few of these have been popular. I've seen some good VT & Connections Advance ticket prices generated.
LNW-GW Joint
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The TfW service eastbound connects into the Birmingham-Scotland service at Warrington, but misses the direct Glasgow.
Northern can pick up that connection.
Southbound, the direct Glasgow connection to TfW is tight (6 minutes usually) and the later Northern service offers a safer connection.
There will be fewer grumpy 55-minute waits at Warrington with the new service.
Fewer stops are more attractive too.
Bradford/Calder Valley/Rochdale to Birmingham is an interesting one too.
It certainly adds to regional connectivity.
That 6-minute connection was the reason why I started changing at Crewe instead of Warrington when I travelled from Glasgow. I would have welcomed these new services as a safety net so it’s good to know they’re working out that way.
frodshamfella
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Really needs Merseyrail to take over Ellesmere Port to Helsby and give it proper service once and for all.
Merseyrail will be trialing batteries on one of their new units. They have the option to order upto 10 extra units. It adds 30 minutes to each diagram therefore would need 2 extra units to extend all off peak services. They would need to add batteries to approximately 8 units and a charger for platform 3 at Helsby. Hopefully those costs are sufficiently low to make a good business case. If this does happen there is no chance Northern will run any services between Ellesmere Port and Helsby let alone Leeds. That would likely mean that the service starts and finishes at Chester all day but it won't happen for a long time yet.
Greybeard33
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That is really bad news. I can't see Ellesmere Port-Helsby getting a decent service for a very long time.
Thanks I had a feeling the 158 may be rare and was used purely for the publicity on day one
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Did the 08-21 from Chester 158 on it's own arrival at Warrington the opposite direction was a 153 + 150 didn't see any other both very lightly loaded
Then we’re back to the explosive issue of Stanlow again so it looks like a regular service is completely off the cards now.
frodshamfella
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I was told by someone at NCRUG that is a bit of a monomer ...being that steam train went alone the same section.
I had a 158 when I used the service this morning, and I've seen another two 158s operating these services today as well. They certainly aren't doing every diagram, but I'm not sure they're 'rare'.
The palaver at Preston this afternoon seems to have caused all manner of knock-on effects. 158s running the WCML services - and their crews - all over the shop.
Cheshire Rover
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Hope it all settled down soon. I am planning to use the E Port to Vic services both ways as my commute once I return from my holidays.
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