jonesy3001
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When do the northern 323s start going for PRM mods?
When do the northern 323s start going for PRM mods?
Nice, do you think they'll be coming back in the old or new northern colours.August is the latest I’ve heard.
Nice, do you think they'll be coming back in the old or new northern colours.
My interpretation of this is that Gemini only has capacity to carry out PRM mods on the 26-strong WMT fleet by the end of year deadline. Unless the Northern units can be modded somewhere else, or they get a temporary derogation, that would mean that the entire Northern fleet has to be withdrawn by the year end (replaced by the 3-car 331s).It also says that the first unit was handed over to the west midlands on 09th February 2019 as the first of their 26 units with Northern's being an optional add-on so, at that rate, I think that 25 could be completed by the end of the year.
https://www.geminirailgroup.co.uk/case-studies/class-323-overhaul/
I'm guessing some units will get PRM mods when they go for refurbishment while the others get PRM mods separatelyMy interpretation of this is that Gemini only has capacity to carry out PRM mods on the 26-strong WMT fleet by the end of year deadline. Unless the Northern units can be modded somewhere else, or they get a temporary derogation, that would mean that the entire Northern fleet has to be withdrawn by the year end (replaced by the 3-car 331s).
If Porterbrook takes up the option of a follow-on contract for the 17 Northern units, and agrees a deal with Northern for them to replace 319s, they could all be returned to traffic (at one every two weeks) by late summer 2020. Otherwise they will go into storage as is.
Or am I missing something?
Rumours circling that the 323s are now staying at Northern and will be joined by the WM fleet too....
I can second that, as said in another thread about battery conversion of 323sI’ve heard it from Northern Train Crew.
finally, some mention of the 195s being made safe.“it says in Modern railways, northern are looking at taking on all of WMRs 323s in order to both fill the gaps while 195s are having the fault dealt with and to also boost capacity on DMU operated services as according to northern the WMR 323 have ‘better equipment and acceleration’ than the 323s they own”
Have any gone for refurb yet?
So does this mean that Northern and WMT will be swapping 323s?I can second that, as said in another thread about battery conversion of 323s
“it says in Modern railways, northern are looking at taking on all of WMRs 323s in order to both fill the gaps while 195s are having the fault dealt with and to also boost capacity on DMU operated services as according to northern the WMR 323 have ‘better equipment and acceleration’ than the 323s they own”
Plus by the time they are transferred they will all be PRM compliant
(Sorry if this has been found out before but didn’t realise this thread was so long)
No WMR 323s will add on to what they haveSo does this mean that Northern and WMT will be swapping 323s?
So how are 323s going to substitute for DMUs? Are they going to do some pretty vicious cutting of diesel routes so DMUs only run on routes without wires, i.e. stuff like Buxton being a shuttle from Hazel Grove, the Mid Cheshire only to Stockport etc?
The idea is to boost EMU services on lines which have both EMU and DMU running so then the DMUs can boost other existing DMU only services
Apperantly, the 319sAnything can happen of course, but I doubt Northern will have a larger EMU fleet than they have now.
It might be made up differently, but I don't believe they have funding for more stock than was in the franchise agreement.
Some of the EMUs are also supposed to be bi-modes, which today means 319s.
I thought Northern were keeping the 319s, they should at least keep some if Im honest43 323s, the 26 from WMT to replace the 26 319s and the 3 short term ones 372/373/446.
43 331/0 - 331/1s that will be split between allerton and neville hill and replace the 321s (3) and 322s (5) and probably go 6 car
16 333s that are getting refurbed as i type and the
8 769s that have disappeared but should be in service.
Think northern are ok for EMUs
They didnt, i just presumed that how it would workI very much doubt that Northern has said that. LNW's post #435 (above) looks pretty accurate to me.
Was on the train to Guide Bridge this morning and mentioned to the guard that I'd heard rumours about Northern keeping the 323s. He said they were staying and Northern was also getting the ones from Birmingham. He sounded fairly definite about it.I can second that, as said in another thread about battery conversion of 323s
“it says in Modern railways, northern are looking at taking on all of WMRs 323s in order to both fill the gaps while 195s are having the fault dealt with and to also boost capacity on DMU operated services as according to northern the WMR 323 have ‘better equipment and acceleration’ than the 323s they own”
Plus by the time they are transferred they will all be PRM compliant
(Sorry if this has been found out before but didn’t realise this thread was so long)
Theres far too many rumours on the railway that end up as 'fact' to believe anything until it happensWas on the train to Guide Bridge this morning and mentioned to the guard that I'd heard rumours about Northern keeping the 323s. He said they were staying and Northern was also getting the ones from Birmingham. He sounded fairly definite about it.
The 3-car 331s ought to achieve similar times on this route (and probably better the 323 on routes where they can exceed its 90mph top speed).Any suggestions on the alternative stock that would equal or better the 323 performance if we lost them on the Glossop line?
I'm not sure the 30% reduction in seated capacity would go down so well at peak times, though. What good is a brand new 331 when it leaves you behind on the platform?The 3-car 331s ought to achieve similar times on this route (and probably better the 323 on routes where they can exceed its 90mph top speed).
Doubt it according to a source the new CAF 196 units will start working in wm end of the yearTheres far too many rumours on the railway that end up as 'fact' to believe anything until it happens
I was talking to one of the WMR managers at New street a few days back who seems to think that the Northern 323s will be going to WM temporarily to increase capacity on Cross city, replace a few under the wires 170 workings to send them onto Herefords when the 153s are withdrawn and release more 350s off the Wolves-walsall diagrams, he seemed sure of that too! Until the day comes one moves I'd take it all with a pinch of salt.
I'm sure I'd previously read that 4-car 331s would eventually run to Glossop/Hadfield, although having been shipped over to West Yorkshire, this is unlikely anytime soon.