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Major Engineering Works on the Douro .Valley line from Porto

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Diplodicus

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We're planning a trip up the D/ouro Valley in Portugal from Porto to the top of the line. At the moment there is a replacement bus service between Caide and Marco de Canaveses.

Does anyone know how long these are scheduled to last?

Many thanks.
 
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Brill 87015 and thanks. All we need now is to know whether they'll let us in ;)
 

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At the moment there is a replacement bus service between Caide and Marco de Canaveses.

The official statement is for the line to reopen in March 2019, without precising the day. The branch from Marco to Régua should close for electrification later this year.

The Bus journey between Caíde and Marco de Canaveses may be a pain to take...
But let me tell you, if you'd fancy a journey back into the 1970's in the middle of English Electric Type 1 locomotives and 1940's first class coaches, operating regular services, you might not get another opportunity after the line reopens.

I recommend the red cars, as those are the heated cars with "ginormous" seats. And since all windows open, you can take photos without much of an issue ;)


1415 & 1413 Rede
by Alexander Martin-Brown, on Flickr


CP 1415 • 4106 • Viaduto da Pala • 29-12-2018 by Gil Ismael Braga Monteiro, on Flickr

 

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Multo obrigado Guigiaro,

We are visiting later this year so hopefully all will be complete.

I am really looking forward to the journey (and the wine)!!
 

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Guigiaro,

Is the "MiraDouro" train likely run again this year?

That was superb when I did it in the summer of 2017.
 

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It's possible that it may run again this summer, but can't really tell to where it will be going. Last year it only went up to Régua, since the trains were being used for regular services quite frequently.

As it is right now, during engineering works, the Miradouro has transformed into 1970's Portuguese Railways, albeit the lack of steam and freight.
 

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Guigiaro,

We are travelling up from Porto to Pocinho on Monday 16th September 2019.
From Pocinho to Pinhao on Wednesday 18th September.
From Pinhao to Porto on Friday 25th September.

Do we need to purchase tickets in advance for the through train from Porto to Pocinho and also for either or both the other two journeys?

Sorry if I'm being a nuisance.
 

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You can only purchase in advance from the web for the Miradouro in the given itinerary.
The other trains you'll have to buy on the ticket office, though I'd recommend getting those tickets in advance, past 7 PM, as the ticket offices will be experiencing hell at that time of the year.
 

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It's possible that it may run again this summer, but can't really tell to where it will be going. Last year it only went up to Régua, since the trains were being used for regular services quite frequently.

As it is right now, during engineering works, the Miradouro has transformed into 1970's Portuguese Railways, albeit the lack of steam and freight.

Ah yes - the Portuguese rolling stock shortage as you have alluded to before!
 

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No more, no less.

We're still pondering how is it going to be this year. New trains will only arrive in 4 or so years, no news on the 2 extra DMU's from Spain and the impact of the 112 new maintenance technicians will only be measured during Summer peak.
 

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Hi, all being well I should be in Oporto from the 15th feb for a week. Any idea which diagrams east of Marco de Canaveses are rostered as CP1400? This sounds like a must do :)
 

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You may be interested in a journey I made in early June 1968 from Regua to Salamanca via Barca d'Alva.
Departure from Regua was at 7.05 on the mixed train to Pocinho hauled by inside cylinder 4-6-0 "Claude Hamilton" No285. This train was well known amongst enthusiasts as a "must do" when in northern Portugal. The consist was a large number of freight wagons plus four ancient carriages at the back, the last of which had a veranda. Next to the loco was a water tanker from which women would fill up their earthenware pots with water and then carry them home precariously balanced on their heads. The train stopped everywhere sometimes for more than half an hour while wagons were dropped off and picked up. It was possible to go for a coffee in a local cafe providing you let the guard know. On this particular day ,beside myself ,there were two other English enthusiasts, two French ones and the late Irish railway historian R C "Bob" Riley. In fact Bob gave us some interesting information,namely that the Barca d'Alva to Fuentes de San Esteban train was in its last week of steam operation and the ex FC del Oeste 0-6-0 tender locos were to be replaced by extending the morning CP Bud railcar from Oporto to Salamanca. The mixed train was assisted by a bank loco, 4-6-0 No 285 running tender first, from Freixo de Numao into Pocinho. Here there was a fair bit of activity, a narrow gauge 2-4-6-0 arriving on the morning passenger from Duas Igrejas-Miranda, E41 the ng station pilot in steam, E52 "Vizeu" the only named loco on the CP and outside cylinder 4-6-0 no238 on a train from Barca to Oporto.
At Pocinho we transferred to the railcar from Oporto for the short journey to Barca where we had lunch in the station cantina. Eventually the Renfe train turned up behind 030-2568 and we departed at 14.55 for Fuentes de San Esteban. The line over the frontier was rocky with many tunnels and during the journey our passports were taken from us. The train consisted of two ancient wooden coaches and a number of vans. Our passports were given back to us at La Fregenada,the Spanish frontier town ,and we had been deemed acceptable to enter Franco's Spain. It was about two and a half hours to F de E where we changed onto a train for Salamanca hauled by an ex MZA 4-8-2 which I photographed and got told off for doing so by a man in uniform.At Salamanca we bunked round the shed, a bit foolhardy in a fascist country,where we saw mostly oil-fired 2-8-2's and 4-8-0's. The next day I said goodbye to my friends who were trying to get through strike ridden France back to the uk. I returned back via the Douro valley and headed for the Vouga ng network.
 

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Can’t see the block being handed back on time. Whilst the OHL appears complete at Marco the trackbed for at least the first section from there to Caide remains stripped back to substrate and isn’t fit for tracklaying anytime soon.

Blossom starting to come through at Pochino end so if it isn’t open presume CP are going to lose out on this years Almond-exs...
 

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Some photos from last weekends Duoro 1400 festivities. Recommended for anyone that enjoys travelling on classic trains, the plastic Spanish carts won’t have half the ability to see what is a wonderful part of the world.

https://87015aewn.wordpress.com/2019/02/18/2019-douro-diesel-gala/

cp-1413-rede-150219.jpg
 

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You may be interested in a journey I made in early June 1968 from Regua to Salamanca via Barca d'Alva.
Departure from Regua was at 7.05 on the mixed train to Pocinho hauled by inside cylinder 4-6-0 "Claude Hamilton" No285. ... .

Great story! By the time I first did the line, in July 1971, the Bud railcar once again terminated at Barca d'Alva. RENFE sent a single unit railcar across and that went all the way to Salamanca, as I remember. The frontier area was certainly wild and rocky. Frankly, the thought of going through there with an ancient 0-6-0 on the front would be a bit frightening - breaking down there could be life threatening in the hot summer!
Douro Portugal in those days was still astonishing - poor, like the Wild West but without the guns.
The pacific 501 (?) was still going at that time, I saw it at Regua - in steam, but not in service. Next time I went, it had been scrapped due to an accident, if I remember correctly.
 

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It has been confirmed that the works in the Caíde - Marco block are indeed running late and the reopening of the line is only expected for late April.

The tunnels have been revealed to have several problems and their modification is being severely delayed, plus the first intervention from the Isolux-Corsan consortium is plagued with errors and defects...
 

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... if you'd fancy a journey back into the 1970's in the middle of English Electric Type 1 locomotives and 1940's first class coaches, operating regular services, you might not get another opportunity after the line reopens...
I understand the engineering works are delayed. Does anyone know if the opportunity to travel on these vintage trains will still exist in mid April? Thanks in advance for any information
 

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Since this Monday (April 1st) the service has been reinstated in the Douro Line for the whole length.
The EE 1400's and Schindler cars have been withdrawn from service and will not return next summer for the Miradouro.

The service between Caíde and Marco de Canavezes will remain in Diesel until the electrification of the block has been concluded and properly certified.

The timetable prior to closure has been restored, and can be downloaded here:
https://www.cp.pt/StaticFiles/Passa...os-regionais-porto-regua-douro-01-04-2019.pdf
 

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From a post on Facebook, it would appear that 1415 has been working along the Douro Valley today. There was a photo of it at Porto Campanha on Schindler stock on R4001, the 21:56 to Regua, plus mention that it had done IR867 and IR960 earlier. Word is that is will be out again tomorrow!
 

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Travelled from Porto Sao Bento to Pocinho and back on May 16th 2019 - a great journey, sorry I don't have technical knowledge to identify rolling stock!

Also travelled from Coimbra-B to Castelo Branco and back on May 18th 2019. Another journey I'd highly recommend.

Used a 4-day InterRail pass - other journeys were Coimbra-B to Lisbon Oriente and Lisbon Oriente to Faro.

May be able to post some photos in due course.
 

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Greetings Guigiaro,

Our hotels are booked and we wish to travel from Sao Bento to Pocinho on Monday 16th September. Four adults (well three ad
lets and me :p)!

On Wednesday 18th, back on the train to Regua for lunch and afterwards back one the train to Barquieros (?or Rede?).

Friday 20th train from Barquieros down to Porto.

Questions...
1. Can we do all this bye train/
2. Can we book tickets before arriving in Porto on 16th September?
3. Any idea of the difference between standard and first class and is it worth the extra?

Many thanks,
Malcolm
 
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