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Railperf

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You didn’t answer the question posed. The poster was clearly asking if a Voyager could keep to the HST timings, not the other way round...
Sorry, i must have misread the post .
A Class 220/221voyager will absolutely have no problem keeping to HST timings as long as it has a full complement of engines and no more than 1 engine per set out of action.
 
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That depends on the HST formation. A 2+5 or 2+6 shouldn't have any problems. Saying that a 7 woildn'y be far behind. And there is plenty of padding in the timetable. It isn't the most demanding in the UK.
So if the timings are pathed for a Class 220/221 voyager, the HST as posted above will easily keep time if the formations are as above..
 

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That depends on the HST formation. A 2+5 or 2+6 shouldn't have any problems. Saying that a 7 woildn'y be far behind. And there is plenty of padding in the timetable. It isn't the most demanding in the UK.
A 7 eats into engineeering allowances, so if it hits a TSR its knackered if its a HST. Unless you mean the long dwells at major stations there isnt any padding.
 

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A 7 eats into engineeering allowances, so if it hits a TSR its knackered if its a HST. Unless you mean the long dwells at major stations there isnt any padding.
The 1V50 0606 Edinburgh/Plymouth has 27 minutes of allowances - 11 of these for engineering, spread throughout. The longest station stop is 9 minutes at New Street. Getting back to time is easier in some places - rather obvious really! The raised speeds south of Cheltenham, slight but useful, will help, for example, as they may perhaps not have been accounted for in the current timetable - perhaps for December. I would argue there is always a margin, sometimes slight, of 'padding' - the former Southern Regions sectional running times were built around a 5% allowance with engineering, pathing and performance added on.
 

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It's crazy that (from looking on Twitter and JourneyCheck that virtually (or) all the HST's out today on their booked diagrams have had some sort of fault. I know these are old trains but surely we're not heading in the Hull Trains Class 180 direction of reliability?
 

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It's crazy that (from looking on Twitter and JourneyCheck that virtually (or) all the HST's out today on their booked diagrams have had some sort of fault. I know these are old trains but surely we're not heading in the Hull Trains Class 180 direction of reliability?
Weren't FGW and XC HSTs worst of the fleets reliabity wise..with LNER top? Why such a huge disparity?
 

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It's crazy that (from looking on Twitter and JourneyCheck that virtually (or) all the HST's out today on their booked diagrams have had some sort of fault. I know these are old trains but surely we're not heading in the Hull Trains Class 180 direction of reliability?
The last two days haven't been too good. 1V44 being delayed by around hour on both days and 1S51 got as far as Exeter yesterday before giving up and going home to Laira. Fortunately all four sets are out again now for the weekend.
 

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The 1V50 0606 Edinburgh/Plymouth has 27 minutes of allowances - 11 of these for engineering, spread throughout. The longest station stop is 9 minutes at New Street. Getting back to time is easier in some places - rather obvious really! The raised speeds south of Cheltenham, slight but useful, will help, for example, as they may perhaps not have been accounted for in the current timetable - perhaps for December. I would argue there is always a margin, sometimes slight, of 'padding' - the former Southern Regions sectional running times were built around a 5% allowance with engineering, pathing and performance added on.
I'm pretty sure the speeds south of Cheltenham have been taken account of, they don't give as much as the project thought though. I have never understood the Southern way of doing it as considering SRTs are rounded to ½ minutes, low running times cannot really incorporate that resilience in them.
 

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I'm pretty sure the speeds south of Cheltenham have been taken account of, they don't give as much as the project thought though. I have never understood the Southern way of doing it as considering SRTs are rounded to ½ minutes, low running times cannot really incorporate that resilience in them.
I agree minimal time gain south of Cheltenham - my best time since changes a 27m 36s with a 2+7 XC set in February, which is actually my overall best. Late running (11 by WTT) so some incentive to press a little. Nothing more than 103 - which was quite normal anyway. The old Southern 5% would have yielded around 5 minutes to Bournemouth - back in the day when there was a faster service. IIRC the best used to be 97 minutes (?) - somewhere around 110 now. However, back in the day, which was not that long ago, there were less passengers and less trains. Makes a difference.
 

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I'm intending to get the 1225 service from Plymouth next Sunday (to Derby) but the diversions via Newport are in operation.

In view of this, will it still be an HST?
 

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I'm intending to get the 1225 service from Plymouth next Sunday (to Derby) but the diversions via Newport are in operation.

In view of this, will it still be an HST?

Hi should be it’ll run as 1s53 to Edinburgh, instead of 1s51 to Glasgow.
 

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Is the 10:03 Cheltenham (York 06:45) to Plymouth a HST?
 

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To keep you up to date, due to the trespass incident, 1V50 was terminated at York. The 11:31 from York to Edinburgh 'will be formed of 7 coaches' according to XC's JourneyCheck.

My guess is that it will run the 15:08 Plymouth service to Birmingham New Street then run the 21:03 to Leeds, and that the 20:12 from New Street to Plymouth will be a Voyager.

A 4-coach Voyager took over the HST from Sheffield.
 

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You're correct it's working the 1508 x Edinburgh (1V68), it's working through to Plymouth then ECS to Laira.
 

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Nearly right then :) - better running it through to Plymouth if I'm honest. I bet commuters from Leeds would've been hugely greatful of over 180 more seats To add to that, 2 coaches unreserved - E, the Quiet Coach, G plus some unreserved seats would mean in the region of 165 unreserved seats.
 

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Nearly right then :) - better running it through to Plymouth if I'm honest. I bet commuters from Leeds would've been hugely greatful of over 180 more seats To add to that, 2 coaches unreserved - E, the Quiet Coach, G plus some unreserved seats would mean in the region of 165 unreserved seats.
What are you on about? Coaches E and G are both reservable...
 

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Looks like today's 1V58 09:00 Glasgow-Penzance has terminated at Plymouth "problem with the traction" according to RTT..I think 43384 and 43321 are working this today, does anyone know what the actual problem was? Thanks,
 

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I want to see an HST on the Bournemouth to Manchester and Newcastle to Reading instead of a 4 or a 5 car voyager
 
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