Great Northern 313 Withdrawals

Cletus · 8 May 2019

John Clausen said:
Did you get either of them? I think 313059 might be finished. Hasn't worked since the 1st.

Not that day, but I did get 313035 last Saturday. Pity about 313059.

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class387 · 10 May 2019

John Clausen said:
Did you get either of them? I think 313059 might be finished. Hasn't worked since the 1st.

Currently onboard 313059. 0754 Welwyn - Moorgate.

VEP3417 · 14 May 2019

in the early to mid 2000s i used to do some spotting at harringay now and again when i used to visit a friend in london so remember these well, remember seeing the last few in NSE livery back then and some in south central, must try and see some before they go
got quite a few old photos from back then somewhere

Pep and co · 17 May 2019

Cletus said:
Not that day, but I did get 313035 last Saturday. Pity about 313059.

Had a couple of hours at ally pally today. Thirteen pairs noted:
64/37 54/41 35/45 36/23 29/32 57/34 33/38 47/49 51/52 25/58 56/22 61/48 31/42. Also 59 was at the South end of Hornsey depot

MatthewRead · 17 May 2019

VEP3417 said:
in the early to mid 2000s i used to do some spotting at harringay now and again when i used to visit a friend in london so remember these well, remember seeing the last few in NSE livery back then and some in south central, must try and see some before they go
got quite a few old photos from back then somewhere

South Central they were never used by South Central do you mean WAGN (West Anglia Great Northern)

VEP3417 · 18 May 2019

its only a hazy memory but it was definitely a white train with yellow bits parked behind the station at harringay on the depot side unless im imagining it and it was plain white

class387 · 18 May 2019

VEP3417 said:
its only a hazy memory but it was definitely a white train with yellow bits parked behind the station at harringay on the depot side unless im imagining it and it was plain white

Probably as a result of the paint stripper GN use to remove graffiti on 313s, which destroy the vinyl and leave the body shell plain white in severe cases.

Phil Scott · 18 May 2019

class387 said:
Probably as a result of the paint stripper GN use to remove graffiti on 313s, which destroy the vinyl and leave the body shell plain white in severe cases.

There were some 313s in IntaLink livery in the early 2000s in WAGN days. That livery was basically white with yellow/green stripes
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WAGN_315857_at_Cheshunt.jpg

VEP3417 · 19 May 2019

i dont think they had wraps in the early/mid 2000s so could have been that one above

Pep and co · 20 May 2019

Now the new timetable has kicked in has there been any obvious changes to the diagrams? Would hope the 313s will be around a little longer

jon0844 · 20 May 2019

All the signals were moved in the NCL so I'd expect the 717s will be brought in quite rapidly now.

swt_passenger · 20 May 2019

jon0844 said:
All the signals were moved in the NCL so I'd expect the 717s will be brought in quite rapidly now.

You’d have to expect so, especially as they are presumably all available for use - once they retrieve them from where they are all temporarily stored...

trainmania100 · 20 May 2019

How long until the next one is scrapped?

Pep and co · 20 May 2019

So presumably there will be a mass withdrawal of 313s. Holding some back for the inevitable issues with the new stock?

SteveOfTheStow · 20 May 2019

There's also the issue of the 313s being on some sort of short term lease as the long term one was up in Jan or thereabouts IIRC, which may not be cheap since the options were scant earlier this year given 717s weren't ready. That begs the question - who pays for leasing costs given GTR is on a management contract? Are they passing the cost of keeping 313s around longer onto the DfT?

swt_passenger · 20 May 2019

Pep and co said:
So presumably there will be a mass withdrawal of 313s. Holding some back for the inevitable issues with the new stock?

Holding some back is usually difficult, because there’s rarely enough depot or siding space, and as said they won’t want to have excess leasing costs.

jon0844 · 21 May 2019

Pep and co said:
So presumably there will be a mass withdrawal of 313s. Holding some back for the inevitable issues with the new stock?

They aren't running 717s with fitters onboard now apparently, so they must be fairly confident of reliability now.

Pep and co · 21 May 2019

How many pairs of 313s are still running? Presumably if the new stock is working OK then plenty of 313s will be stood down and put in sidings at Hornsey, Hertford North and elsewhere whilst they await their fate

jellybaby · 21 May 2019

Pep and co said:
How many pairs of 313s are still running?

I believe there are 25 717 units of which 5 are in service on a weekday so perhaps 18 pairs of 313s running assuming a couple are spare?

Bikeman78 · 22 May 2019

jellybaby said:
I believe there are 25 717 units of which 5 are in service on a weekday so perhaps 18 pairs of 313s running assuming a couple are spare?

The Monday to Friday timetable requires 21 trains. So five 717s and 16 pairs of 313s.

Tedy · 24 May 2019

Hi there does anyone know the whereabouts of 313024? Is it in regular use or is it stood up somewhere? Any answers gratefully received.

Bikeman78 · 25 May 2019

Tedy said:
Hi there does anyone know the whereabouts of 313024? Is it in regular use or is it stood up somewhere? Any answers gratefully received.

I believe it's last run was on April 19th.

Tedy · 25 May 2019

John Clausen said:
I believe it's last run was on April 19th.

Okay - so would I find this at Hornsey as I don’t believe that this has been scrapped?

Class455 · 25 May 2019

I'm very surprised to be saying this but I saw some immaculate looking 313's when I was heading down the East Coast Main Line yesterday, they seem to have had a deep clean externally at Hornsey?

Bikeman78 · 25 May 2019

Tedy said:
Okay - so would I find this at Hornsey as I don’t believe that this has been scrapped?

It might be at Ferme Park sidings, opposite Hornsey.

Pep and co · 30 May 2019

Might be in the area on Saturday. Wondering how many pairs of 313s would be running?

Bikeman78 · 30 May 2019

Pep and co said:
Might be in the area on Saturday. Wondering how many pairs of 313s would be running?

10 pairs I think. They do Moorgate-Welwyn-Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate and so on.

Cletus · 30 May 2019

According to a post on WNXX, the 313's stored at Hornsey are:-

123
024
025
028
031
043
053
056

700007 · 1 Jun 2019

SteveOfTheStow said:
There's also the issue of the 313s being on some sort of short term lease as the long term one was up in Jan or thereabouts IIRC, which may not be cheap since the options were scant earlier this year given 717s weren't ready. That begs the question - who pays for leasing costs given GTR is on a management contract? Are they passing the cost of keeping 313s around longer onto the DfT?

Surely can't be expensive to lease the 313s a bit longer, it's not like there's a rush for other TOCs to hire them out. Might as well squeeze every penny out at a reasonable price.

Pep and co · 1 Jun 2019

Tedy said:
Hi there does anyone know the whereabouts of 313024? Is it in regular use or is it stood up somewhere? Any answers gratefully received.

313024 noted amongst the units towards the Hornsey station end of the depot.

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