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GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

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The 0923 Newbury-Paddington 1K11 is also (currently) a 4-car 387, and has been since they started - is that changing to IET also?

Yes, would appear so. RTT platform matching suggests

5P07 04+29 Hereford to Hereford
1P07 0447 Hereford to London Paddington
1K04 0806 London Paddington to Newbury
1K11 0923 Newbury to London Paddington
5K11 10+42 London Paddington to North Pole Iep Depot

1P07 previously went to North Pole on arrival at Paddington with 1K04 formed off 1P08 0652 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington. 1P08 now goes empty to West Ealing Sidings.
 
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The 0923 Newbury-Paddington 1K11 is also (currently) a 4-car 387, and has been since they started - is that changing to IET also?

Yes, would appear so.

Good news, although as usual I expect the preceeding 1K09 will continue to be busy, as the first off-peak into PAD (from my home station anyway). At least it will now presumably also be a 5-car IET rather than a rammed 3-car Turbo.

Looking forward to trying these new services on the B&H next week.
 

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Good news, although as usual I expect the preceeding 1K09 will continue to be busy, as the first off-peak into PAD (from my home station anyway). At least it will now presumably also be a 5-car IET rather than a rammed 3-car Turbo.

Looking forward to trying these new services on the B&H next week.

1P07 is currently a 9-car IET.
 

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Does that mean the 2221 Paddington to Bedwyn will be an IET as well?
Not a fun train to get, as it was always a rammed 2 car 165.
 
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Booked 9 car 800 from next week. No changes to timings.

No Turbos on 1Kxx services - indeed the only 1Kxx service operated at all by the LTV fleet is the 1631 Newbury - Padd 4 car 387.

166201 on 1K10 today. I have rarely seen a 166 on Bedwyn trains since their RHM mods and I am unlikely to do so again with this information
 

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Does that mean the 2221 Paddington to Bedwyn will be an IET as well?
Not a fun train to get, as it was always a rammed 2 car 165.

'JN114' indicated above that no 1Kxx services are formed of Turbos.

From Monday the 2221 runs back in service to Paddington from Bedwyn at 0006 and then goes empty to North Pole rather than returning empty from Bedwyn to Reading depot.
 

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The SX STP diagrams for week commencing the 20/05 has 1K11 on a 9 car 802 diagram (IW905).

Runs as per post #1861 then after a stint on North Pole runs 1C89 > 1A98.
 

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Good news, although as usual I expect the preceeding 1K09 will continue to be busy, as the first off-peak into PAD (from my home station anyway). At least it will now presumably also be a 5-car IET rather than a rammed 3-car Turbo.

Looking forward to trying these new services on the B&H next week.

How many extra (if any) standard class seats does a 5-coach IET have over a 3-coach 165?
 

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Good news, although as usual I expect the preceeding 1K09 will continue to be busy, as the first off-peak into PAD (from my home station anyway). At least it will now presumably also be a 5-car IET rather than a rammed 3-car Turbo.

Looking forward to trying these new services on the B&H next week.

Does that mean the 2221 Paddington to Bedwyn will be an IET as well?
Not a fun train to get, as it was always a rammed 2 car 165.

Yes both booked for a 5 car 802.
 

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5 car 800 has 270 standard class seats, and a 3 car 165 has 264 seats

On the face of it not many more seats on the 800, but so many more will be usable compared to the 3+2 across in most of a 165, where it's quite rare to actually see 5 people squeezed in across 5 seats (in my experience).

Based on the demand I often see at that time of the morning on the B&H, it's a pity that 1K09 is not the 9-car instead of 1K11.
But of course 1K09 reverses/starts at Bedwyn so that's not possible.

1K11 was an HST until the end of last year and was nearly always 90% empty.
 

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I've recently started using 1P03, 0550 from Oxford-Paddington, which is currently a pair of Turbo's. Please excuse the lack of knowledge, but do I understand correctly that these should transfer over to 800/802 in December or could this be as early as the May timetable change?

1P03 05:50 Oxford to Paddington has gone over to a 5 car IET today.

According to the guard SDO wasn't setup for Radley, Culham and Appleford, so those stops were skipped today.

Less capacity though as was a 6 car turbo, so lots of standing from Maidenhead.
 

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As forecast, at least during this morning's busy period, all 1Kxx's on the B&H were IET's (including 1K04/1K11 as a 9-car)

In addition, at least one RDG-BDW run (2K36) and also at least one NBY-RDG stopper (2K27 was the example I saw) were also 5-car IET's!
 

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As forecast, at least during this morning's busy period, all 1Kxx's on the B&H were IET's (including 1K04/1K11 as a 9-car)

In addition, at least one RDG-BDW run (2K36) and also at least one NBY-RDG stopper (2K27 was the example I saw) were also 5-car IET's!

Yes, the 1812 Reading to Newbury stopper should be an IET as well.
 

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1P03 05:50 Oxford to Paddington has gone over to a 5 car IET today.

According to the guard SDO wasn't setup for Radley, Culham and Appleford, so those stops were skipped today.

Less capacity though as was a 6 car turbo, so lots of standing from Maidenhead.
Yes indeed, with nearly a 50% reduction in seats its not surprising a few people were left behind at Maidenhead.
 

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Anyone who doesn't think Oxford trains warrant the use of long trains might have wanted to see 1W29 1122 London Paddington to Great Malvern this morning - totally packed on departure to the extent of full aisles of standing passengers.
 

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Anyone who doesn't think Oxford trains warrant the use of long trains might have wanted to see 1W29 1122 London Paddington to Great Malvern this morning - totally packed on departure to the extent of full aisles of standing passengers.

If only the wires reached Oxford and they could have run a long, fast 387!
 

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If only the wires reached Oxford and they could have run a long, fast 387!

Running IETs on everything is probably a better place for pathing and even if the wires reached Oxford, a 387 isn't much use on the Cotswold line. Oxford passengers have the choice of going from Marylebone as well as Paddington.
 

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Anyone who doesn't think Oxford trains warrant the use of long trains might have wanted to see 1W29 1122 London Paddington to Great Malvern this morning - totally packed on departure to the extent of full aisles of standing passengers.

Being a Great Malvern that would almost certainly have been a 3 car Turbo a year or so ago.
 

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First runs in passenger service to Pembroke Dock took place today.
 

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Anyone who doesn't think Oxford trains warrant the use of long trains might have wanted to see 1W29 1122 London Paddington to Great Malvern this morning - totally packed on departure to the extent of full aisles of standing passengers.
I could argue the same on trains in the south west yesterday. 1000 of Penzance which I guess from December will be a 5 car had 500 passengers leaving liskeard ( 320 is capacity for a 5 car set) . Luckily formed a 9 car at present before the wonderful new timetable begins in December and sees Cornwall lose carriages. And before anyone says the service around it is already half hourly at that time of day so not gonna help.
 

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Being a Great Malvern that would almost certainly have been a 3 car Turbo a year or so ago.

It was a HST last week of course.

I think the people of the Cotswolds who like Turbos might be in for a small treat on Monday with what looks like three round trips by Turbo.
 

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Anyone who doesn't think Oxford trains warrant the use of long trains might have wanted to see 1W29 1122 London Paddington to Great Malvern this morning - totally packed on departure to the extent of full aisles of standing passengers.

Fully agree, I was on this train between Reading & Oxford and it was full to the brim.
 

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I could argue the same on trains in the south west yesterday. 1000 of Penzance which I guess from December will be a 5 car had 500 passengers leaving liskeard ( 320 is capacity for a 5 car set) . Luckily formed a 9 car at present before the wonderful new timetable begins in December and sees Cornwall lose carriages. And before anyone says the service around it is already half hourly at that time of day so not gonna help.

How could you argue the same, when it was a nine-car train with seats to spare?

And when you have argued repeatedly that nine-car trains on Oxford and Cotswold Line services are some sort of indulgence for mere commuters, as opposed to the 'special breed' inhabiting the South West, who apparently won't even set foot on a train unless it has umpteen coaches in the formation.

Are you really suggesting that on a bog-standard Saturday morning for much of the year, as opposed to the Saturday of a bank holiday weekend at the start of school half-term holiday, that a 10am departure from Penzance will have that sort of loading for the last leg of its run into Plymouth? A quick search online shows that it was Lord Mayor's Day in Plymouth city centre yesterday, so perhaps that had something to do with the numbers travelling, as I doubt they were all going to London.

You have been told umpteen times that the actual daily seating capacity through Cornwall will increase and that rolling stock deployment in the summer period will be different - you know, like it has been for who knows how long since the old GWR started making money from summer traffic, yet you still treat us to the same lines over and over. The IETs for the Newquay and Pembroke Dock runs yesterday didn't appear by magic.
 

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Jimm rather than getting your knickers in a twist i was referring to Friday not Saturday and referring to a time of day where there will be no additional trains come December as it's already half hourly at that point.
And frankly people doing a 3 to 5 hour journey on a train from the south west to London probably do count for a bit more than those doing a short hop on the Cotswold line
 

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Jimm rather than getting your knickers in a twist i was referring to Friday not Saturday and referring to a time of day where there will be no additional trains come December as it's already half hourly at that point.
And frankly people doing a 3 to 5 hour journey on a train from the south west to London probably do count for a bit more than those doing a short hop on the Cotswold line

Says the person who gets their knickers in a twist about any and every incident that 'proves' why it is necessary to provide a 640-seat train on any London service operating west of Plymouth all day, every day, all year round, even when there are nothing like that number of people travelling all day, every day, all year round.

If the rest of us behaved like you, then I or someone else from this neck of the woods would have been posting/moaning on here quick as a flash on Friday evening when the 17.22 from Paddington to Hereford left Oxford with something like 700 people on board - and citing this as evidence that there should be nine-car IETs all day, every day, all year on the Cotswold Line.

But I'm not going to, because I am honest enough to recognise that there are parts of the day/week/year when the trains on the Oxford and Cotswold Line services - which are not going to be half-hourly all day past Oxford any time soon - do not need to transport around vast numbers of empty seats.

And what actually happened on Friday what that there was no guard to take the preceding 16.22 from Paddington on to Great Malvern, so it ran ecs to Worcester and the passengers had to wait 50 minutes to join an already busy service to get home - there would have been more passengers across the two trains on a Friday evening before a bank holiday but, as usual, when this sort of thing happens, a fair number of those planning to leave Oxford on the first train will have caught a bus instead.

Frankly it is time for you to drop the silly 'short hop' stuff. London to Worcester takes the same time as London to Exeter and London to Hereford is on a par with London to Plymouth.
 
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