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ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

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hobbm013

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you sure it was 253...? already back in service on 25/5/19, unless that's a normal amount of time to get it back up and running...?

I mean the first picture on the article shows 253 surrounded by the fire service so yes I’m pretty sure....
 
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Yes, they really are awful. It's not worthy of being called legroom. I happened to take a 170 today and I was worried about legroom having seen some of the reviews on here. Clearly passengers south of Birmingham are spoiled - it was a fantastic diesel unit by Northern (and TFW) standards, and the legroom was absolutely fine. Certain 150s (and some 156s too if I recall correctly) are the absolute worst for this.
This is totally anecdotal, but I thought all 150s, Pacers, 155s and 153s (possibly 156s too) had the same seat pitch (Nothern's pacers aside, most of these also seem to have the same type of seat meaning legroom is the same); meaning I am always uncomfortable if I'm sat in 'airline-style' seating on them.

Class 170s on the other hand seem to vary, on most of the 170s I've used the legroom seemed to be about the same as a refurbished Arriva Trains Wales 158 (ie. not quite enough but way better than 150s). However I had one journey on a CrossCountry 170 from Newport to Gloucester and was glad I wasn't going any further because it was so uncomfortable; I guess the XC 170s have a smaller seat pitch than the London Midland, Greater Anglia and ScotRail examples I have used.
 

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This is totally anecdotal, but I thought all 150s, Pacers, 155s and 153s (possibly 156s too) had the same seat pitch (Nothern's pacers aside, most of these also seem to have the same type of seat meaning legroom is the same); meaning I am always uncomfortable if I'm sat in 'airline-style' seating on them.

Class 170s on the other hand seem to vary, on most of the 170s I've used the legroom seemed to be about the same as a refurbished Arriva Trains Wales 158 (ie. not quite enough but way better than 150s). However I had one journey on a CrossCountry 170 from Newport to Gloucester and was glad I wasn't going any further because it was so uncomfortable; I guess the XC 170s have a smaller seat pitch than the London Midland, Greater Anglia and ScotRail examples I have used.
I think the XC 170s are ex-Central Trains except for the /1s which were the early 170s new to Midland Mainline in late 98/early 99
 

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Just got sent this. Does anyone know which 175 this is and the current situation of it...? Apparently it's a "spares donor" which seems odd as unless there's a 28th 175 I don't know about, all 27 are meant to be for service yes...?
 

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Just got sent this. Does anyone know which 175 this is and the current situation of it...? Apparently it's a "spares donor" which seems odd as unless there's a 28th 175 I don't know about, all 27 are meant to be for service yes...?
You wouldn't think TfW can afford to have any long distance units out of service to act as 'spares donors', but this 175 must be beyond repair.
 

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You wouldn't think TfW can afford to have any long distance units out of service to act as 'spares donors', but this 175 must be beyond repair.
That's what I was thinking... Very keen to know which one it is and what the situation of it is!
 

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TFW and ATW before, have over time had 175 vehicles out of action for periods due to fire and collision damage. To keep sets in traffic, units have been reformed with good carriages and left overs put out to grass like those in the picture. If something else is awaiting parts that may be out of stock, who could blame them for "borrowing" from these.
 

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Just got sent this. Does anyone know which 175 this is and the current situation of it...? Apparently it's a "spares donor" which seems odd as unless there's a 28th 175 I don't know about, all 27 are meant to be for service yes...?

One car from 006, the other from 115. Not sure the reasons why but there are several hybrids out and about at the moment.
 

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With 3 or 4 years still to go on the lease, I can't think it is a donor unit. It must be awaiting spares or other repair work.
 

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Just got sent this. Does anyone know which 175 this is and the current situation of it...? Apparently it's a "spares donor" which seems odd as unless there's a 28th 175 I don't know about, all 27 are meant to be for service yes...?
Right hand side unit half way down,what is that? A cover?damage? Or?
 

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Saw it today - its 006. There was a fitter in it around 0645 this morning. Not sure what is up with it...
 

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769002 has been moving around Canton depot under it's own power so hopefully soon it will be out testing and training staff
 

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Saw it today - its 006. There was a fitter in it around 0645 this morning. Not sure what is up with it...
As previously repported the carriage on the right is from 115 whilst the one on the left is from 006. by 1000 this morning they had been joined by unit 001. Another 175 was on the Chester shuttle. whilst 150208 and 158841 were on the Chester to Liverpool Lime Street service.
 

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TfW may appear to have a 175 shortage but yesterday three car 175113 was operating on the Chester to Liverpool Lime Street service.
Had a few out of service everywhere yesterday, no major issue though. My normal train was a 158 instead of a 150 the first half of the week, back to normal today though.
 

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Couple of weeks ago some members (I believe possibly tfw employees) insinuated that plans are been drawn up for extra trains of an undisclosed type and number but weren’t able to specify at the time,are they any closer along with this or the forum members able to give more details now?

Only 5 carriages out of 56 extra that should have been in service by now are! (5x153, 36 x769 - 9 sets, 15x230 - 5 sets ). How is it looking with the 170s for October? ( another 32 carriages) anyone in the know?
 

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Ga say they planning to introduce the 755s from August so I think once they start enter service then the 170s will start being released
 

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Couple of weeks ago some members (I believe possibly tfw employees) insinuated that plans are been drawn up for extra trains of an undisclosed type and number but weren’t able to specify at the time,are they any closer along with this or the forum members able to give more details now?

Only 5 carriages out of 56 extra that should have been in service by now are! (5x153, 36 x769 - 9 sets, 15x230 - 5 sets ). How is it looking with the 170s for October? ( another 32 carriages) anyone in the know?
769s: 2 units (002 and 008) at Canton depot, 002 been moving around there under its own power. the remaining 7 units being converted at Brush

230s: TfW units the current build at Vivarail - "all 5 have started production at some stage", now that the London Northwestern ones are in service

170s: their lease with Greater Anglia expires on 1/10/19, I heard 2 of the 12 might be early 2020. The other 10, TfW may start to get them early
 

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769s: 2 units (002 and 008) at Canton depot, 002 been moving around there under its own power. the remaining 7 units being converted at Brush

230s: TfW units the current build at Vivarail - "all 5 have started production at some stage", now that the London Northwestern ones are in service

170s: their lease with Greater Anglia expires on 1/10/19, I heard 2 of the 12 might be early 2020. The other 10, TfW may start to get them early
I meant the posters a few weeks ago were suggesting/insinuating trains other than the ones mentioned above were being lined up to make up for the fact that the above have not yet arrived to cover for PRM mods but they were unable to give details at the time
 

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I meant the posters a few weeks ago were suggesting/insinuating trains other than the ones mentioned above were being lined up to make up for the fact that the above have not yet arrived to cover for PRM mods but they were unable to give details at the time

I'm guessing you mean me - afraid I can't say any more at the moment. There was another plan being looked at but I've not been able to ask anyone for updates lately.
 

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I meant the posters a few weeks ago were suggesting/insinuating trains other than the ones mentioned above were being lined up to make up for the fact that the above have not yet arrived to cover for PRM mods but they were unable to give details at the time
My reply was only to your second paragraph. Sorry, I should have made that clear.
 

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There were two consecutive Maesteg to Cheltenham services this afternoon terminated at Cardiff Central, and the returns of course, due to "More trains than usual needing repairs". At least, TFW arranged buses to and from Newport in lieu. There have been several recent cancellations for this reason shown on Journey Check so I hope that it is not developing into a situation similar to GWRs in 2017/18 when month after month and day after da ythis was occurring. In fact instead "more than usual" it became the norm.
 
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