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Theresa May Resigns & Conservative Leader Election Discussion

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AlterEgo said:
They won’t be voting for him though.
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They will in the early stages of the contest, to whittle it down to 2 contenders.
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That is his difficulty. IF he gets onto the crusty old duffers Tory members ballot he will have a very good chance of winning. His problem, if private eye are to be believed, is his parliamentary colleagues don't like him

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hence why I don't see michael gove or rory whatsisface standing much of a chance.Going by playground rules both of them would be getting a hiding/lunch money extorted on a fairly regular basis.
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There are many of the candidates who know they cant win but just might hold the balance of power that they can trade for high cabinet office. That is why at least 80% of the people standing have declared an interest.

Oh and Gove isn't in it to win ( not that he would turn it down) but to stop Boris Johnson by splitting the vote.

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trump can(mafia)
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tinfoilery. Trump doesnt control the mafia. If what you say is true his threat us the us military machine not some two bit cooks!

Btw you are right Trump sees himself as a strong man and seems to be to be a modern day Mussolini and is I think consciously mimicking his gestures and poses ( see that chin jutting out he does on the stump)
 
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Don't the Tories still use the Alternative Vote system they so vehemently opposed in 2011 to elect their leader?

I'm glad Mr Burns May is gone but I'm sure someone equally odious will replace her.
 
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DarloRich said:
That is his difficulty. IF he gets onto the crusty old duffers Tory members ballot he will have a very good chance of winning. His problem, if private eye are to be believed, is his parliamentary colleagues don't like him
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I’m not surprised. He’s Grade A Teflon (TM), and although very clever, not particularly intelligent (personal opinion obvs). Having met / seen him at close quarters a few times, I still don’t know whether the tousle haired bluster is an act or not. On balance, I think not.
 
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Bald Rick said:
although very clever, not particularly intelligent (personal opinion obvs). Having met / seen him at close quarters a few times, I still don’t know whether the tousle haired bluster is an act or not. On balance, I think not.
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It is an act, or at least the buffoonery is. He is incredibly intelligent, very ambitious ( almost deluded about being destined for greatness) sees himself as a modern day Churchill and holds a narcissistic view of the word. That makes him more dangerous as he will bend his views to serve his own interests above everyone else. I would take Gove over him any day and Gove is a slimy, self serving little &hit!
 
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Don't the Tories still use the Alternative Vote system they so vehemently opposed in 2011 to elect their leader?
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No. They use multiple rounds of voting. Although the mechanics of AV look similar with multiple rounds and dropping off the least popular candidate, each round of the leadership contest is independent and members can change their mind and vote for different candidates even if their previous choice made it through.
 
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Any expectations on May/Conservatives addressing the results of the EU Elections?

Are they going to (again) interpret it as "the will of the people to leave the EU"?

(Not really sure if I should post here, on the Brexit or the EU elections thread)
 
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DarloRich said:
It is an act, or at least the buffoonery is. He is incredibly intelligent, very ambitious ( almost deluded about being destined for greatness) sees himself as a modern day Churchill and holds a narcissistic view of the word. That makes him more dangerous as he will bend his views to serve his own interests above everyone else. I would take Gove over him any day and Gove is a slimy, self serving little &hit!
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He’s very, very clever, but not necessarily intelligent. Agree with everything else. I too would rather have Gove (on condition he divorced his wife first).
 
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DarloRich said:
It is an act, or at least the buffoonery is. He is incredibly intelligent, very ambitious ( almost deluded about being destined for greatness) sees himself as a modern day Churchill and holds a narcissistic view of the word. That makes him more dangerous as he will bend his views to serve his own interests above everyone else. I would take Gove over him any day and Gove is a slimy, self serving little &hit!
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I still believe his plan for supporting leave in the referendum was nothing to do with actually wanting to leave the EU, and entirely about moving his plans to get into No 10 forward. Basically, became de-facto leader of the Leave group, then when the referendum returns a Remain result and Cameron resigns by 2020, he comes to the top of the list as the leaver who'll unite the party without actually having to go through the trouble of actually leaving. Then things kind of got away from him...

But those actions, if they are the case, aren't the actions of a buffoon. They're the actions of a calculating person trying to manipulate large numbers of people for their own personal benefit.
 
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DarloRich said:
It is an act, or at least the buffoonery is.
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But those actions, if they are the case, aren't the actions of a buffoon. They're the actions of a calculating person trying to manipulate large numbers of people for their own personal benefit.
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These are not incompatible. Mr Johnson is not a buffoon, he just played the part while it suited him to get attention. We now have the serious Boris Johnson, the presidential Boris Johnson. He's an actor engaged in politics, striving for the glittering prize; he could be a character in a Robert Harris book or a Robert Graves adaptation.
 
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I still think/hope that it will be in Johnson's personal best interests if he wins to seek a workable compromise solution rather than one driven by ideology, based on the fact that is ideology is about personal best interests. This is in contrast to those Brexiters that actually believe in it as an idea.

But I've been wrong before.

I had a good laugh at this (not easily quotable): https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...y/25/stephen-collins-on-boris-johnson-cartoon

I'm told I have to quote this, but I suggest you look at the cartoon if you can rather than the text below:
B Johnson, approaching three witches: How Now Midnight Hags

Witches: All Hail Boris, Mayor of London, Foreign Secretary, Future Prime Minister

Boris: Now look here, I believed your prophecy last time and it was a bloody trick. "No creature on God's earth can prevent Boris from becoming Prime Minister..." I thought, well, all creatures are 'of God's earth' ... so I'm going to be Prime Minister"! But then ... Gove ...

Witches: See what we did there.

Boris: Great twist. So this time, just tell me straight, am I going to be Prime Minister>

Witch: God, I hope not, you are such a prick.

Boris: What can thsi riddle mean?
 
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The one positive of Johnson is that he is no ideologue. He’s an opportunist and a survivor, a constant vacillator.
 
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Given the Tories only polled 9%, can't we just give them the coup de grace so they don't need to suffer the ignominy of voting for one of the sad sack of vile, back-stabbing candidates in their 'leadership' election.
 
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Given the Tories only polled 9%, can't we just give them the coup de grace so they don't need to suffer the ignominy of voting for one of the sad sack of vile, back-stabbing candidates in their 'leadership' election.
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No: becuase one of thise ssd sacks will be PM and will have to lead us out of Europe. Thise two things are fairly important.

And, please, dont say there should be an election. The main parties do not want that right now.
 
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DarloRich said:
And, please, dont say there should be an election.
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I didn't. If I was going to saying anything, I would say that there should be a peasant's rebellion in which we rise up and slit a few gizzards.

'Spose you don't think that would be a good idea either. Killjoy.
 
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DarloRich said:
And, please, dont say there should be an election. The main parties do not want that right now.
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So why is Labour using social media to raise support for a election if the main parties don’t want it?

Last time I looked, Labour were mainstream political party so I’m afraid you’re quite wrong that or you’ve overlooked Labour’s calls for a election?

Personally I’m of the view of anyone but Boris and even then it’s going to be difficult finding a suitable replacement for May with the choice of candidates that are left.
 
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I didn't. If I was going to saying anything, I would say that there should be a peasant's rebellion in which we rise up and slit a few gizzards.

'Spose you don't think that would be a good idea either. Killjoy.
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Wasnt Brexit the peasants revolution?
 
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I hope that i do not repeat myself, but as long as there is no PM there will be no talk with the EU. I fear it will be a hard brexit and can not understand why the Brexit date was moved up a couple of months. There is no setback or progress ; just a status quo.
 
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DarloRich said:
They and especially Farage convinced lots of people who are really struggling that voting for Brexit would improve thier lives!
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Which proves the thesis expounded by Chomsky and others that right wing governments recognise that it is not in their interest to educate the masses and so run the public education system into the ground . How easily the 'uneducated rabble' * are led.



* Brownie points for anyone who can spot the reference without googling.
 
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Bald Rick said:
He’s very, very clever, but not necessarily intelligent. Agree with everything else. I too would rather have Gove (on condition he divorced his wife first).
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Very clever, very crafty and very devious but, as you say, not necessarily intelligent. Comparisons with Trump might be less odious than immediately apparent. For a start, they both crave to be loved, a dangerous trait in any politician in high office imo. Mummy's boys the both of them too. Dominic Raab is the dark horse in this race, I believe, and he's definitely not as clever or competent as he appears to think. Of course, he has to keep Johnson back from the final choice of two because the membership's vote would almost certainly go to him.
 
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I hope that i do not repeat myself, but as long as there is no PM there will be no talk with the EU. I fear it will be a hard brexit and can not understand why the Brexit date was moved up a couple of months. There is no setback or progress ; just a status quo.
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You will have to expect a repetition of the May era. Six weeks of election for leader, cabinet reshuffle, ministers need to familiarise themselves with their portfolio, minimal contact during the summer, conference season, oh dear we've only got a few weeks to go, blame Europe for not making concessions. No deal is not really a threat because we have been brainwashed into thinking that deals will be easy to obtain, after all we've already done a deal with the Faroe Islands!
 
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Surprised that odious [expletive] Rees - Mogg is still on the list of Conservative MP's not running.

He seems to have had alot to say in the last 2 years and I thought he would have relished the opportunity of driving forward his ... errr ... backward-looking vision of Britain.

It's almost like he just says things to provoke a market reaction that his investment firm can then benefit from. Either that or he is just plain chicken. I do hope that his complete lack of spine will be remembered and he will never be given the oxygen of publicity again ; or, preferably, any oxygen at all.
 
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433N said:
Surprised that odious [expletive] Rees - Mogg is still on the list of Conservative MP's not running.

He seems to have had alot to say in the last 2 years and I thought he would have relished the opportunity of driving forward his ... errr ... backward-looking vision of Britain.

It's almost like he just says things to provoke a market reaction that his investment firm can then benefit from. Either that or he is just plain chicken. I do hope that his complete lack of spine will be remembered and he will never be given the oxygen of publicity again ; or, preferably, any oxygen at all.
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I think he knows he would never get elected. I suggest he would rather be a kingmaker, in return for a top job. I read somewhere that he might fancy Chancellor. Now that would be bad news.
 
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