Revoking Article 50 (even after a remain vote in a second referendum) would be very controversial (either as it was ‘one all’ or against the one referendum result) and upset Leavers; whereas May’s deal is unpalatable to not just Remainers but to quite a lot of (politicians especially) Leavers as they don’t like it either (shows the split in Vote Leave) and so won’t get through; the EU has refused to renegotiate so there won’t be a ‘Boris deal’ (other Conservative leadership candidates are available, though it didn’t seem like it if you saw the front page of The Sun last Saturday) by the new prime minister; meaning the only other option is a no deal Brexit, which would upset Remainers, even more than a deal Brexit.
I do agree all of these would be controversial, but the likes of Farage will find some way to scream betrayal even if they get exactly what they are currently asking for. The only argument anyone uses these days in favour of Brexit is that people voted for it in 2016. A more recent vote on a proposal with the consequences clearly set out would override 2016. If referendums could never be challenged then we'd still be bound by 1975.
I wonder what proportion of the SNP are simply content to glibly sit out a chaotic no deal Brexit in order to better facilitate the primary goal of winning a future independence referendum ?
I was pointing out to the complaint that I had ruled out their option (which I think is the one that would cause the most uncertainty of the lot, with revoke we just stay in and with no deal we just leave and then we're out) that none of the options are going to be easy and widely-supported! I can't come up with a better option, except by saying that the new prime minister should go and try to renegotiate with the EU and the EU (who as a body want us to stay, and so they aren't going to be particularly) let us. We also shouldn't set out any red lines, as I said before they are only good for British politicians furthering themselves, you shouldn't publicly go in saying we won't do X, Y or Z or A, B and C must be done.
The 1975 referendum wasn't on the EU it was on the common market (EEA) so is on a different thing, as John Major blackmailed Conservative MPs to vote for the Maastrict Treaty, which formed the EU, and there wasn't a public vote then was there?
Negotiate to leave, the government could revoke this evening it wanted, but couldn't leave (even no deal) until the June date and realistically not until the second date at Halloween. I'm not sure what to change, something to make it more palatable to the point of
And the 2016 referendum was, according to many of the Leavers, about staying in the single market and leaving the political institutions. Now it's about leaving everything. All the more reason for a referendum on the specific proposal.
Having your cake and eating it?
Yes, it was. Here's the post, which you failed to link https://www.railforums.co.uk/goto/post?id=4029469#post-4029469
The 1975 referendum was on the EC not EEA, but in any case, it's not being respected and we're being dragged out of both EC and EEA by these self-harmers.
And 100% of the European Parliament is elected.
The House of Lords doesn't have the power to block legislation from being passed under the Parliament Acts of 1911 and 1949, only to refine the legislation and make amendments that the Commons doesn't have to listen to.
Well it depends who you have in the European Parliament, if it's people like Farage then you might as well have no vote for the good it will do.
That could equally well be read as deciding that the Westminster government, especially if a Tory one, will essentially play to their base and ignore what Scotland needs or wants. The EU has much less influence on its members but provides the security of a large trading bloc and the support when something goes wrong (such as sticking up for Ireland on Brexit). Nine EU members have less population than Scotland.
if you would have told me that was frank field's position, I would have believed you....but corbyns??????
To take one as an example: The Republic of Ireland, with a population of ~4.8 million, has 11 seats in the EU Parliament.
