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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...
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SteveP29
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Every Brexiter I've spoken to in the real world expects this as a matter of right, but can't see the hypocrisy in it
Brexit or no Brexit, population is still going to rise.
The lobger we deny real climate change, the more uninhabitable deserts we'll create, forcing more and more people into the habitable areas that are left, and, due to our temperate location, we're going to see an awful lot more people being attracted this way. Plus, that's also going to be the case if we keep going to places in the Middle East and bombing the s**t out of them (Iraq, possibly soon Iran) or encouraging civil wars (Syria)
AlterEgo
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This is indeed an inalienable truth. The problem is that population growth is largest in developing countries. How do we best intervene?
As has been mentioned before, population growth is inevitable in developing countries, as life expectancy increases, without the corresponding decrease in children. However eventually it balances out again. This has happened in the UK, US and everywhere else. Bangladesh for example, only has a fertility rate of 2.2 children/woman.
Edit: The best way to intervene is a brexiteers nightmare, increasing foreign aid! (To speed up development of the country)
In addition the per capita impact on the environment is often inversely proportionate to the birth rate. A single child born in the US or the more affluent parts of Europe probably puts more demands on the earth's resources than a family of ten in a developing nation in the African sub-continent.
So those pompously proud of restricting themselves to two children in a nuclear family in the UK sneering at a family with 10 children in sub-Saharan Africa should consider that they themselves are probably responsible for more environmental damage to the earth than that much larger family in a developing land.
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Well you backed the wrong horse then didnt you... NI is going to be thrown under a bus as soon as it can if we get a hardline brexit leader in place.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...lled-rather-than-risk-breakup-of-uk-1-5968122
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I bet he would!!
krus_aragon
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To paraphrase, his / the DUP's options in order of preference would be
- leaving unilaterally
- remaining in the EU
- accepting the negociated withdrawal agreement
The problem with Brexit is everyone got their own idea of what Brexit should be but only one Brexit can happen.The whole thing is like a wheel that refuses to stop spinning no one has a plan or idea on what to do next too many promises made that are impossible in reality. Brexit will shadow British politics for many years to come even if we do leave. The subject is toxic and will change our political system for better or for the worse only time will give us the answer.
The frightening thing is that he means it!
edwin_m
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Not sure why we should take advice from someone whose not-so-hidden agenda is to weaken the EU which is one of the few bodies big enough to stand up to him. Any trade deal between the UK and the Trump administration will be about as even-handed as a mouse and an elephant on a seesaw.
krus_aragon
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I thought "no, that's his recent tariff deal with Canada", but then I realised you didn't say "moose".
Lots of people on twitter saying what Trump is saying is what should be done. These are the same people who told Obama he should keep his nose out of the UK's business. (Even Farage is quoted as saying the same thing about Obama)
You miss the point. The people criticising Obama sticking his nose in where its not wanted are now paising Trump for doing the same thing.
AlterEgo
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It's not good diplomacy to precede a state visit (that is - a visit predicated on good relations between the two nations) with political opining.
The President is here as a guest of the country and our head of state, and should behave with good grace. Sending angry tweets about Sadiq Khan and saying who he things should be the next Prime Minister are not on.
krus_aragon
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(Sarcasm mode on)
But surely he was invited over because we need his sage insight and guidance at this troubled time? :P
or to make us think "that Boris bloke, I wouldn't want him to be PM but then again it could be worse!"
Whoever said that diplomacy was one of Trump's strong points!
Khan was at it as well.
Ah so that makes it OK for the us president to stick his unwelcome nose into the uks business then.
DynamicSpirit
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Well, last time, Trump made false and derogatory statements on Twitter about London. Khan would've arguably been failing in his duty as Mayor of London if he hadn't stood up to defend London and London's reputation against Trump's attacks.
This time, Trump launched into his tirade against Khan out of the blue without any apparent provocation. Surely Khan should be able to defend himself?
I think what provoked Trump was something Khan wrote in the Guardian:
It’s un-British to roll out the red carpet for Donald Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/01/donald-trump-state-visit-red-carpet-unbritish
I wouldn't disagree with anything in the article.
nlogax
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I'm having a very difficult time believing Trump would read anything in the Guardian, unless of course it'd been passed through the digestive tract of social media and into the bowl of Twitter.
(sorry)
It was probably reported by Fox News, he spends most of his time watching it.
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