Apedlar12
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158960 is now in for it's refurb so 763 the only remaining 158 in service in Local Lines livery...
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pdeaves
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800023 now carries the name "Firefighter Fleur Lombard QGM" with a depiction of a firefighter's axe.
ValleyLines142
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Currently sat on it at Cardiff on the 0800 to Paignton. Will most likely be very busy as a result as it's a 2 car vice 3 car service!
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43192 sat outside at Wabtec Doncaster in a fresh coat of GWR paint.
59CosG95
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That's a surprise - didn't realise that one was due to be retained!
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No surprise, been on the list from the start.
59CosG95
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Ahh must've slipped the net on the info I got somewhere.
59CosG95
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Well, the 158s are owned by Porterbrook Leasing, who stated that Bristol Barton Hill should do the refurbishment/PRM works for all their 158s in England/Wales (the ScotRail ones were done at Springburn, but that's all academic).
The 165s and 166s are owned by Angel Trains, who haven't yet released an interior refurbishment programme for the GWR units. They wee all refurbished to FGW standard with PRM mods before the GWR brand came into effect - one unit (166204 IIRC) was given a trial interior makeover but so far a final design has yet to be developed.
The 150s are a slightly different kettle of fish: 150001, 150002, 150202, 150207 & 150216 are all owned by Angel, while 150219/150221/150232-234/150238/150239/150243/150244/150246-249/150261/150263/150265/150266 are all Porterbrook-owned.
The Porterbrook examples are all PRM-modded, and AIUI all have the finalised interior; 150219 & 150238 are in plain FGW blue, rather than GWR Green. As a result, those two units have an FGW interior rather than a GWR one.
The Angel examples are all in GWR livery; the 150/0s are PRM-modded and refurbished, as are 150202 and 150216 - I understand 150207 was also refurbished and PRM modded at Doncaster in the last year, but can't recall off the top of my head.
Hopefully, @pdeaves will be able to elaborate on this further!
59CosG95
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To confuse matters further, the Angel units all have original Ashbourne sets, except for 150207, which has 3+2 Chapman seats. 150207 also still has the original (non-LED) WIPAC headlight clusters.
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In addition, 150232 is green externally but FGW internally. The interior was due to be done using the original grey flat-cloth but the interior refit was abandoned when experience on HST set LA15 and 166205 showed the lack of resistance to staining. I believe the plain blue 150s and 166s are to be repainted green in the near future.
150207 has had the minimum done required for PRM compliance but no interior refit - it retains its Northern seat covers and wall panelling. The Angel Trains sets are all due to go off-lease first as more Turbos become available in the Bristol area to indirectly displace them.
A further curiosity is that Angel-owned 150001/002/202/216, which have Ashborne seats but updated to GWR branding, have 'cut pile' soft moquette with the pattern designed to imitate the loop pile fitted to the rest of the GWR fleet.
59CosG95
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Ahh I see. Potential to head (back) to Northern then?
pdeaves
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I see from http://www.didcotoxfordgwr175.org/line.html that an IET will be named after W Awdry on 15 June. I assume (no inside knowledge) that there will be some sort of depiction of Thomas the Tank Engine on it, too (as names have a relevant image with them).
That's an interesting choice. I know that Awdry was born on the 15th, the same day as the event, but seen as (to my knowledge) he never visited Didcot and lived near Box Tunnel maybe naming him hear there would have been a better choice. Also, I wonder if the unit will be called "Rev. W Awdry" on one end and "Thomas the Tank Engine" on the other, like GWR did with the early IET names (I think that they have changed the way they name them now to go with the usual method of naming trains). I'd expect the unit to carry pictures of both the Reverend and Thomas, and potentially even some of the other engines in the stories along the sides. A bit like GWR added the names of GWR workers who died in the World Wars on the side of 800306.
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The FGW/GWR Turbo fleet was a very long way from all having received the PRM modifications when the GWR brand was introduced in the autumn of 2015. The last 165s to be updated didn't get the accessible toilets until last year. The rest of the interiors date back to the refresh programme carried out when FGW dynamic lines livery replaced Thames Trains paint..
ValleyLines142
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Not all of them, for some strange reason. I know 158951 and 158954 don't and 158766's haven't worked for almost a year.
Masboroughlad
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When and why did GWR put the thin stripe of grey / silver, along the coach, just below window level?
It totally detracts from the original plain green. Pity.
It totally detracts from the original plain green. Pity.
GWR seem to have given up about changing their livery, there's plenty of GWR stock rolling around with FGW interiors. And see First's minimal attempt to change the SWR livery for details. Most punters see a SWT livery with a plastic sticker covering the SWT logo on the exterior of the carriage. It's like nothing's changed, apart from the increased delays.
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SWR have a slightly different contract; they need to refurbish the interiors of their trains first. About half of the 444s are now internally refurbished, and over half of the 450s have new seat covers. Exterior refurbishment is ongoing with the 159s; half of them now have the new SWR livery.
Hasn’t it always had it?
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Exterior refurbishment?! Sounds like marketing nonsense if ever I heard it. It’s a C6 overhaul including repaint.
I think the mark 3s always had the silver line; not sure about anything else.
fgwrich
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The naff grey line below the windows has always been part of the green livery - only the FGW Plain Blue had nothing else bar First Great Western & www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk on it.
The frankly stupid and virtually invisible silver stripe at contrail height denoting First Class was also introduced as part of the GWR green livery, breaking the quite simple, and obvious tradition of using Yellow to denote First Class.
irish_rail
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The yellow stripes would be particularly useful at present owing to the enormous confusion over where first class will end up on a pair of 5 cars. This hopeless new zone system is pathetic and often inaccurate as well.
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Fortunately the lesson was more or less learnt on the initial HST repaints and the IETs were fitted with large 'FIRST CLASS' signs and the stripe made much thicker and positioned lower and away from the cantrail stripe - although a yellow stripe would have been better again admittedly. I wouldn't describe the simple but stylish coach stripe as 'naff' - certainly the earlier chaotic wavy lines in FGW days were more naff!
I haven't heard of the zoning system being inaccurate - I listen carefully to it every time I travel and the train invariably turns up as 'zoned'.
The “zoning” for IETs is directly controlled by the train managers through an app on their company phones. It is an excrement in, excrement out system - so what is displayed is only as good as the info uploaded by TMs. I have met at least one TM who says they won’t do it full-stop; so I don’t know if there’s a formal dispute regarding it, or it’s just a lone stubborn TM.
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How many 166s still have the FGW blue livery? Or are they all re-liveried now?
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