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EMT HST Nottm to Skegness

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bunnahabhain

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They'll both be full sized HSTs then.
Or else they'll have to train the staff twice, as the 43/4s have a different cab/door controls.
Plus there are more spare 43/0s in case of a failure
Drivers can drive either type. Guards are restricted to normal sets unless they've had the SDO conversion course, and only two Senior Conductors have done that for the Angel sets for the proposed December runs to Skegness which didn't materialise. The Angel sets also undergo maintenance on a weekend so shouldn't be diagrammed out for anything.
 
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From my experience of using the Summer Saturday HSTs from Sleaford to Skegness, first class is declassified (there are no first class fares between Derby and Skegness, so it would be run purely on upgrades if first class was enforced).

When I used it last year, the train manager made an announcement about the buffet being open if anyone wanted to purchase refreshments. Whether that means the actual buffet/shop is open or a trolley is being operated in that carriage, I couldn't say.
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What do they do about 1st class? Is declassified? Or can you pay extra to be in first? Thinking about taking my lad for a ride out as he loves the HSTs and it’s an excuse to go the sea side for the day, maybe in some comfort too
 

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What do they do about 1st class? Is declassified? Or can you pay extra to be in first? Thinking about taking my lad for a ride out as he loves the HSTs and it’s an excuse to go the sea side for the day, maybe in some comfort too
Declassified throughout. Only standard class fares are available from both Derby and Nottingham to Skegness.
 

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It has always been declassified in previous years. First come first served!
 

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On at derby then with snacks and drinks it is.

Sorry some how missed all the first class talk on page 2! No idea how.
 
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don't think so. And uses grantham avoiding line so does not reverse there either IIRC
The 0943 ex Nottingham reverses there as it calls at Grantham. A few years ago when the service ran in the path of the 0955/1445 Skegness it also ran through to Derby via Trowell Jn and Toton in the evening due to no path being available via Attenborough.
 

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The 0943 ex Nottingham reverses there as it calls at Grantham. A few years ago when the service ran in the path of the 0955/1445 Skegness it also ran through to Derby via Trowell Jn and Toton in the evening due to no path being available via Attenborough.
Thanks - helpful to know that!
 

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The 0943 ex Nottingham reverses there as it calls at Grantham. A few years ago when the service ran in the path of the 0955/1445 Skegness it also ran through to Derby via Trowell Jn and Toton in the evening due to no path being available via Attenborough.

How did that work, doesn't Trowell face the wrong way? Or have I misunderstood?
 

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I was told by the train manager the reversal at Trowell was to get the First Class at the right end again, as the AM trip called at Grantham and reversed, the PM trip needed to reverse too to make the set the same way round when it got back
 

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I was told by the train manager the reversal at Trowell was to get the First Class at the right end again, as the AM trip called at Grantham and reversed, the PM trip needed to reverse too to make the set the same way round when it got back
I was told by the train manager the reversal at Trowell was to get the First Class at the right end again, as the AM trip called at Grantham and reversed, the PM trip needed to reverse too to make the set the same way round when it got back
There was no path, as it arrived approximately 1915ish, after the dwell time you couldn't get out infront of the 1920 Matlock without subsequently delaying the then 1932 London, which would have affected the 1936 Leicester and 1941 Birmingham. Had it followed the 1941 Birmingham there was then a conflict with the HST running North to Nottingham, and a subsequent Ivanhoe right behind that. By running via Trowell Jn it avoided all of these conflicts and was booked to pass around the time of a HST heading North. The alternative would have been a near 30min dwell time at Nottingham.
 

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There was no path, as it arrived approximately 1915ish, after the dwell time you couldn't get out infront of the 1920 Matlock without subsequently delaying the then 1932 London, which would have affected the 1936 Leicester and 1941 Birmingham. Had it followed the 1941 Birmingham there was then a conflict with the HST running North to Nottingham, and a subsequent Ivanhoe right behind that. By running via Trowell Jn it avoided all of these conflicts and was booked to pass around the time of a HST heading North. The alternative would have been a near 30min dwell time at Nottingham.

I thought it seemed an odd reason, as the set was the wrong way round in the morning-so it would have been better not to have reversed it! Pathing makes much more sense.
 

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May be in this thread somewhere, but can someone just confirm what digrams the HST's will run on this year please? Thanks.
 

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Doing the a return from Derby to Skeggy then back to Nottingham. Are these usually busy?
 

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Do be aware that if you're planning to travel and put your head out of the window you will be disappointed - every vestibule is being manned by staff owing to excess foliage en route being considered a safety risk.
 

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Do be aware that if you're planning to travel and put your head out of the window you will be disappointed - every vestibule is being manned by staff owing to excess foliage en route being considered a safety risk.

Noticed that , agency staff . Took the 0753 from Derby to Skeggy , even the buffet car was open. Im sure some coaches had seat reservations too.
Took the 1215 x3 153 set back from Skeggy , normal for catering on skeggy services?
 

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Do be aware that if you're planning to travel and put your head out of the window you will be disappointed - every vestibule is being manned by staff owing to excess foliage en route being considered a safety risk.
why can't they just cut down the trees?

probably a silly question, but seems a less temporary fix.

I'm sure NR used to have a minimum line clearance spec for de-veg.
 

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Noticed that , agency staff . Took the 0753 from Derby to Skeggy , even the buffet car was open. Im sure some coaches had seat reservations too.
Took the 1215 x3 153 set back from Skeggy , normal for catering on skeggy services?

There are advance fares which include a seat reservation. Everyone else just gets a free-for-all. You can’t reserve on any other ticket type on these trains.
 

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Presumably there is a fair chance EMR will not use HSTs to Skegness next year (ie 2020), given the derogation issues related to these trains?
 

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Presumably there is a fair chance EMR will not use HSTs to Skegness next year (ie 2020), given the derogation issues related to these trains?
There's a good chance this is the last year. They will be replaced by 222s, whether that is 2020 or 2021 is not known yet. As the HSTs will still be around but with LNER trailers, it may still be those next year as it won't require any training for crews.
 
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