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Bletchleyite

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If you find 800 seats uncomfortable on GWR/LNER, yes. If not, then no. As far as I can tell they're identical, not just on TPE 802s but also the 397s and Mk5s.

Though note that there is a noticeable difference in comfort between the older "flat cloth" cushion and the newer "moquette" one on GWR. Both TPE and LNER claim they use the newer type. Neither is great, but with the older design you can very much feel that metal supporting bar, but with the newer one much less so if at all.
 

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Though note that there is a noticeable difference in comfort between the older "flat cloth" cushion and the newer "moquette" one on GWR. Both TPE and LNER claim they use the newer type. Neither is great, but with the older design you can very much feel that metal supporting bar, but with the newer one much less so.
From appearances in images I believe they do, you're right to point that out, but I don't know if I'd consider the different cover to make enough of a difference for those that dislike the seats on 800/0s not to dislike the others. It helps, but it certainly doesn't transform them into actually padded seats like those fitted to EMUs before 2015 or so.
 

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From appearances in images I believe they do, you're right to point that out, but I don't know if I'd consider the different cover to make enough of a difference for those that dislike the seats on 800/0s not to dislike the others. It helps, but it certainly doesn't transform them into actually padded seats like those fitted to EMUs before 2015 or so.

No, but it does make them reasonably acceptable (though not the best) to those of us who like reasonably firm seats (without metal bars in silly places) like ironing boards, Grammer E3000s (the Desiro seat) etc.
 

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Does anyone know which set numbers they are? I imagine that a few hundred odd enthusiasts will be after spotting them from 'Basford Bank' on Saturday.

Mk5a sets Nos TP02 & TP05. Moved from the South yard.
 

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No, but it does make them reasonably acceptable (though not the best) to those of us who like reasonably firm seats (without metal bars in silly places) like ironing boards, Grammer E3000s (the Desiro seat) etc.
Yeah I'm fine with firm seats such as the E3000, but I still much prefer that to the modified seat used on the 802s - I think that's the point, even those who are normally pretty tolerant of hard seats, including the ironing boards on units like the 700s, don't think that the seating used on the 800 series is fit for purpose. There will always be people that prefer them the way they are but I genuinely feel they're in a minority - I would like to see a survey with a good sample size to see genuinely where the opinion lies. We rail enthusiasts are certainly known for making a fuss over nothing sometimes.
 

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Seems to be electric testing today on the 'problem' section north of Darlington.
5Q8x paths Newcastle <-> Darlington all day (5Q82-5Q89 inclusive, with unit from Doncaster Carr).​
80x electric approval expected before August, save for any further hiccups.

The daytime testing this week is:
MTO 5Q54, 5Q55 Heaton <-> Liverpool Lime Street (today's was cancelled).​
This week's overnight testing consists of (Monday-Wednesday/Thursday am):
5Q76 20:32 Heaton Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot to Manchester Victoria (via Castleford)
5Q77 00:39 Manchester Victoria to Leeds (via Wakefield Kirkgate)
5Q78 02:11 Leeds to Manchester Victoria (via Wakefield Kirkgate)
5Q79 03:26 Manchester Victoria to Heaton Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot (via Wakefield Kirkgate and Leeds)​
The roundabout routes are due to engineering work between Leeds and Mirfield
 

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If we could try and not get side tracked into a massive debate on seats that would be appreciated. The seats on the various Hitachi 80xs has been discussed, at great length, previously so I'm not sure we need to do it again here.

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Seems to be electric testing today on the 'problem' section north of Darlington.
5Q8x paths Newcastle <-> Darlington all day (5Q82-5Q89 inclusive, with unit from Doncaster Carr).​
80x electric approval expected before August, save for any further hiccups.

The daytime testing this week is:
MTO 5Q54, 5Q55 Heaton <-> Liverpool Lime Street (today's was cancelled).​
This week's overnight testing consists of (Monday-Wednesday/Thursday am):
5Q76 20:32 Heaton Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot to Manchester Victoria (via Castleford)
5Q77 00:39 Manchester Victoria to Leeds (via Wakefield Kirkgate)
5Q78 02:11 Leeds to Manchester Victoria (via Wakefield Kirkgate)
5Q79 03:26 Manchester Victoria to Heaton Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot (via Wakefield Kirkgate and Leeds)​
The roundabout routes are due to engineering work between Leeds and Mirfield

The problem section is now Berwick area. North of Darlington - Newcastle was due authorisation for electric running this week I believe. A bit more testing in Berwick region, which should he cleared well in time before August introduction of Azuma.
 

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So does this mean that (with the benefit of hindsight) the procurement exercise to get CAF stock into use more quickly than the IETs proved to be completely pointless, which will now needlessly saddle TPE with different types of rolling stock?
 

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So does this mean that (with the benefit of hindsight) the procurement exercise to get CAF stock into use more quickly than the IETs proved to be completely pointless, which will now needlessly saddle TPE with different types of rolling stock?
Almost - there would still have been more 802s otherwise, so unless the 802s TPE actually ordered come into service 2+ months before the CAF stock, they managed a couple of months' headstart. Not exactly a great deal though I admit.
 

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So does this mean that (with the benefit of hindsight) the procurement exercise to get CAF stock into use more quickly than the IETs proved to be completely pointless, which will now needlessly saddle TPE with different types of rolling stock?

So it would seem. A single fleet of 80x would have been so much easier.
 

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So does this mean that (with the benefit of hindsight) the procurement exercise to get CAF stock into use more quickly than the IETs proved to be completely pointless, which will now needlessly saddle TPE with different types of rolling stock?

That assumes a sole motivation for procuring diverse stock. Arguably the DFT have been reasonably sensible by diversifying procurement and maintaining competition in the market.
 

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by the way···.

1. In the northeast, Nova1's destinations are only Newcastle and Edinburgh?

2. Is Class 185 assigned to HUll?

3. Is Class 185 assigned to Sheffield (or Nottingham)?

4. Will TPE's local services be transferred to Northern Rail if the Northern Rail vehicle shortage is resolved?
 

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Fantastic news! Full approval letter is available at https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pd...i-at300-5-car-bi-modes-for-tpe-2019-06-04.pdf
Basically says:
  • Hitachi have to work on a solution to the 'cable ladder' issue, and TPE have to manage the risks prior to this being resolved
  • Can operate in 10-car formations but pantographs must be on the outer sides of the formation to attain line speed >75mph
  • ASDO cannot be used until the infrastructure is ready
Is the introduction still expected to be December or could that date be accelerated given that the 802 is presently the only TPE product to have ORR approval?
FWIW, it looks like it will have taken Northern just over 4 months to get their 331s into service from the date of ORR approval.
by the way···.
1-3 yes, 4 no
 

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Is the introduction still expected to be December or could that date be accelerated given that the 802 is presently the only TPE product to have ORR approval?
I thought Mk5s were approved as the first two sets have been accepted by TPE for staff training.
 

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Newcastle men 1st?
Perhaps your comment could have been a little more diversified... Newcastle "crew", "staff", ... . Anything to suggest that there are actually female drivers/guards. It's not solely a dig at you, but far too common across this forum.
I thought Mk5s were approved as the first two sets have been accepted by TPE for staff training.
It was my understanding they have been accepted by TPE to commence staff training, but not approved for passenger use. They're supposed to still have "issues".
 

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  • Hitachi have to work on a solution to the 'cable ladder' issue, and TPE have to manage the risks prior to this being resolved
I'm not seeing any sign of progress on this issue at all. I get the feeling it's one of those caveats that'll be in there for years with nothing actually done...
 

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802202 has just gone north through platform 4 at Newcastle on diesel. There doesn’t look to be a lot of clearance between the ends of the coaches and the platform edge at the west end curved section! This unit still has instrumentation cables in the coaches and table tops missing.
 

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