Or strip all 6 now as that would take up less space...
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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trainmania100
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Apologies if mentioned before but does anyone have confirmation of which 6 are stored (or the 18 that are being refurbed) Thanks
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trainmania100
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Many thanks
No 5s in passenger service...
Are you certain of that? I was told no 5s at all to protect the network in case one sat down.
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2408 ran on its own to Eastleigh today to collect 2423 from refurb. Happens quite regularly
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The track access application only mentions that they will operate as 10 car pairs to remove performance risks caused by splitting and joining. Nothing in there about the risks of single units running about and failing.
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The first pair of units were signed off on Monday so that particular issue with that 10 car has been resolved. However there remains a Network Rail issue that has only come to light this week and is being tackled currently.
Oh ok, thanks for the update. Do you know where the Network Rail route restrictions are by any chance?
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In the London area.
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I thought they were getting re-tractioned?
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They are supposed to be, but not before re-entering service.
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2406 & 2414.Still at Wimbledon Wednesday evening
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Not 6 of the 18 to be put into service?
The whole network
How come SWR have been allowed to complete training runs on the 442s with this many route restrictions - do they relate to specific lines which can be avoided when outside of normal operation?
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As far as I can remember, some of the restrictions are to do with which lines they can run on, which means that we’ll probably be seeing a lot of either 1Qxx or 1Xxx headcodes as a “do not route off path” or 9xxx to remind the signaller to not path them differently.
They avoided running the trains on the routes where the restrictions apply
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However there is currently an issue in the London area, where they have run on test but there is now a concern over a potential wrong routing - this is being worked through.
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Spotted this morning poking out of the shed right at the back. Assume the same pair.
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what routes are they restricted to travel on?
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I think in this context they're talking about the specific details of overall routes, such as crossovers or passing or stopping at specific platforms. They were never 'go anywhere' for platforming at Waterloo in their previous use with SWT.
As a hypothetical example, suppose they could generally use the main line between Bournemouth and Waterloo, and the fast pair on the four track section, then a route restriction might stop them crossing fast to slow somewhere during problems. so they'd have to have special treatment - or not run at all...
...Having said that, it's still difficult to believe that any problems can't be overcome, given their previous use.
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aha that makes sense...got the wrong end of the stick. Anyone think they would return to any Waterloo to Weymouth workings at some stage even if its just once a day? If they did what services would you guys think they would be best on?
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No because Waterloo to Weymouth services split and join at Bournemouth with the detached unit working back to London on a different service. For that reason you need all the units running this service group to be compatible with each other else you would pretty quickly have a 442 trying to attach to a 444.
For this reason 442 have not been re-cleared beyond Poole.
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that's a big shame but understandable...why does Poole always get the good stock. If there was enough power beyond Poole then the 442s could run as 10 cars to Weymouth. It might have already been said but why are they not running as 5 cars anywhere. despite this could a single 442 run to Weymouth in an emergency?
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Anyway is there any update on the door problem? Could we see them in service by the end of the month?
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