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LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

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BN23 and BN24 are believed to be off lease. Saw BN24 in Ferme Park and BN23 at Bounds Green. They haven't been debranded yet but have had wheel stoppers attached to all wheel sets so the sets cannot be moved.
 

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I have had a look at the ABRail website (https://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm) for the Mk IV formations.

I still require DVTs 82210, 213, 216, and 225 and according to the mentioned website, these are on sets BN05, 13, 25, and 17 respectively.

Also, I have noticed that the section of that webpage was as of November 2018. Do the DVTs get swapped about often, or is it mainly the locos?
 

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I have had a look at the ABRail website (https://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm) for the Mk IV formations.

I still require DVTs 82210, 213, 216, and 225 and according to the mentioned website, these are on sets BN05, 13, 25, and 17 respectively.

Also, I have noticed that the section of that webpage was as of November 2018. Do the DVTs get swapped about often, or is it mainly the locos?
I believe ABRail stopped being updated a while ago
 

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BN23 has become the first MK4 rake to leave the fleet, it was hauled to Worksop by 66749 today
 

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I have had a look at the ABRail website (https://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm) for the Mk IV formations.

I still require DVTs 82210, 213, 216, and 225 and according to the mentioned website, these are on sets BN05, 13, 25, and 17 respectively.

Also, I have noticed that the section of that webpage was as of November 2018. Do the DVTs get swapped about often, or is it mainly the locos?
The DVT's usually remain in that formation although when a DVT needs maintenance, the spare DVT (82224) fills in
 

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do you or anyone know what the plan for it is...?

I would assume that at least some if not all vehicles from the first off-lease sets will be destined for Transport for Wales and GNWR (or what ever the open access operator for the Euston - Blackpool services are called).

Other than that, the pessimist in me thinks Worksop is a temporary stop-off en-route to a scrapyard in Rotherham.
 

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do you or anyone know what the plan for it is...?

I would assume that at least some if not all vehicles from the first off-lease sets will be destined for Transport for Wales and GNWR (or what ever the open access operator for the Euston - Blackpool services are called).

Other than that, the pessimist in me thinks Worksop is a temporary stop-off en-route to a scrapyard in Rotherham.
My understanding is that the first three mark 4 sets are going off lease so rapidly, ahead of any HST sets, because vehicles from them are required for TfW's three sets to be in service before December.
 

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I would assume that at least some if not all vehicles from the first off-lease sets will be destined for Transport for Wales and GNWR (or what ever the open access operator for the Euston - Blackpool services are called).

Other than that, the pessimist in me thinks Worksop is a temporary stop-off en-route to a scrapyard in Rotherham.
GNWR are supposed to have 2 91s, 14 Mark 4 carriages and 2 Mark 4 DVTs by September 2019 (!) and TfW are supposed to have 12 Mark 4 carriages and 3 Mark 4 DVTs (but no 91s, as the 67s will be adapted) ready for December 2019 (I think) so there needs to be 2 91s, 26 Mark 4 carriages and 5 Mark 4 DVTs available before the new year / decade. 5 sets will be just enough for the DVTs and more than enough for the 91s and Mark 4 carriages.
 

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My understanding is that the first three mark 4 sets are going off lease so rapidly, ahead of any HST sets, because vehicles from them are required for TfW's three sets to be in service before December.
Yeah that makes sense :)
 

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The DVT's usually remain in that formation although when a DVT needs maintenance, the spare DVT (82224) fills in

Thanks very much.

There is a chance I may have a go at grabbing them on Friday, as those are required for haulage. I also require 3 Class 91s (101, 122, and 130) as well and if I am lucky, I could get at least one of them at the same time.
 

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GNWR are supposed to have 2 91s, 14 Mark 4 carriages and 2 Mark 4 DVTs by September 2019 (!)
Are GNWR planning to start passenger service in September? Or do they require the trains for crew training etc in advance of passenger service at a later date?
The same applies to TFW needing sets by December. Is that for service or crew training?

Class 67's with Mk4's in Wales will be popular with enthusiasts and the general public alike!! The Mk4's are probably the best passenger coach running around on the UK network. And the 67's with such a light load will go like the clappers with a nice soundtrack too on full acceleration.
As a side point, wouldn't Class 67's / 68's with 4 mk4's and a DVT have been a better option - cheaper to convert and run - for GWR rather than the 2+4 HST fleet???? And probably more than enough performance too. The current sprinter timings on Taunton to Cardiff are hardly taxing for the 2 plus 4's and could even be achieved by a 2+9 set. The same applies to Cornwall timings too. The 2 plus 4 HST's there barely need to get out of notch 3.
 

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2+9 is far from sprightly! 2+5 however will keep to voyager timings, so potentially 2+6 is feasible but word platform length be an issue?
 

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2+9 is far from sprightly! 2+5 however will keep to voyager timings, so potentially 2+6 is feasible but word platform length be an issue?
Oh' I'm not suggesting using a 2+9 at all haha. I was just making the point that having travelled on the 2+4's, the timings are way too easy for the traction, a 5 car voyager on 3 engines could meet them. Do they plan to speed up the Taunton to Cardiff timetable once all the sets are available and in service - i guess from December timetable?
 

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This is digresssing somewhat but currently many of the 2+4 services are picking up considerable delays due to dwell times. Not all of this will be addressed by power doors, due to slower boarding. Anyway, back to the subject of the thread...
 

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Are GNWR planning to start passenger service in September? Or do they require the trains for crew training etc in advance of passenger service at a later date?
The same applies to TFW needing sets by December. Is that for service or crew training?

Class 67's with Mk4's in Wales will be popular with enthusiasts and the general public alike!! The Mk4's are probably the best passenger coach running around on the UK network. And the 67's with such a light load will go like the clappers with a nice soundtrack too on full acceleration.
As a side point, wouldn't Class 67's / 68's with 4 mk4's and a DVT have been a better option - cheaper to convert and run - for GWR rather than the 2+4 HST fleet???? And probably more than enough performance too. The current sprinter timings on Taunton to Cardiff are hardly taxing for the 2 plus 4's and could even be achieved by a 2+9 set. The same applies to Cornwall timings too. The 2 plus 4 HST's there barely need to get out of notch 3.
I really don't think Mk4's are the best type mark of carriage at all. The Mk3's are far more superior in many ways. And to use two different loco types to replace the GWR GTI HST's makes no sense at all. The timing load wouldn't make any difference as the 67's are slow at getting up to speed.
And another reason not to use 67's and 68's is that there is not enough to replace the HST's.
 

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The link in post #67 contains the information you need to know ;)
I wouldn’t call a link to a website that isn’t being updated and where the set formations are six months old as containing the information needed.
 

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I wouldn’t call a link to a website that isn’t being updated and where the set formations are six months old as containing the information needed.
Yes but most of the formations I've seen on there still correspond to the appropriate sets. There have been no major reformations I believe
 

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Yes but most of the formations I've seen on there still correspond to the appropriate sets. There have been no major reformations I believe

Based on my experience sets more often run without a coach as opposed to coaches being shuffled between sets.

Mainly due to there only being 2 spare vehicles - DVT 82224 and TSOE 12200.

Hope this helps.
 

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Based on my experience sets more often run without a coach as opposed to coaches being shuffled between sets.

Mainly due to there only being 2 spare vehicles - DVT 82224 and TSOE 12200.

Hope this helps.
Yes I have noticed that particularly more on the class 90 diagrams. Mainly the DVT's swap as you say and the 122xx coaches next to the loco.
 

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I’m well aware of what TfW are having.

The point is that Eversholt need three full sets back from LNER to provide the TfW vehicles: there’s only one TOE, TOD, SV and DVT per set and they are needed for the Welsh sets.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does TOE, TOD & SV stand for?
 
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