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Park and Ride Schemes in the UK

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Simon75

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Thought to start (not sure if there is already on) of Park and Ride Schemes

Arriva Shrewsbury Harlescott is an odd one. On a retail park, (small bus terminus) and right by their garage, but for 3 Adults (November 2018) £2.50 is good value

Do all P&R charge per person or any by car and if so why ?
 
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That Shrewsbury 'group fare' is about to be removed in council cut backs. I lived in Shrewsbury from 2000 to 2015 and in that time the service reduced form a 10 min. frequency all day to 15 and now 20. It once had 'Real Time data' at bus stops and that went to! A shadow of what it used to be!
 

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The only good use for the Park and Ride is during the Flower Show is in town. Extra buses including last year Bendy citaros from Leicester Depot

Bizarley these had the welsh not in serivice blind programmed in them
 

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In Oxford they charge for parking AND the bus fare.

That was done is Cambridge for a few years...strangely enough passenger numbers dropped because people don't like paying twice...

Now just pay on bus (unless parking for more than 18 hours)
 
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York P&R charge per person, not per vehicle. Adult return on P&R is £3.20/person with up to 3 Under 16's free per adult. This applies to all 6 P&R routes to the city centre, as well as the new P&R route to the District Hospital.
 

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The reason for charging by the vehicle (car) in some places is that if they charge per person, it is actually cheaper for a driver with a car with 2 or more adults in to drive straight past the Park and Ride and use car parks in the centre, which is counter productive considering that they have been more efficient on the journey so far compared to someone driving in on their own.

I would charge by the vehicle if I had the choice
 

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In Oxford they charge for parking AND the bus fare.
But with a combined bus + parking ticket for two adults and up to three children. For a single adult £4.60 is still a pretty good deal compared with £7 for three to four hours parking in the centre.
 

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In Oxford they charge for parking AND the bus fare.
But with a combined bus + parking ticket for two adults and up to three children. For a single adult £4.60 is still a pretty good deal compared with £7 for three to four hours parking in the centre.
I find the main problem with the park and ride in Oxford, especially the Thornhill site, is the terrible traffic at peak time. Also the fact that the bus makes additional stops along the way really doesn't help
 

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Salisbury used to charge by car IIRC but has been free since a visit by Russian cathedral enthusiasts
I was in High Wycombe earlier and noticed that the Park & Ride there has been made free as well, at least on weekdays.
 

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I find the main problem with the park and ride in Oxford, especially the Thornhill site, is the terrible traffic at peak time. Also the fact that the bus makes additional stops along the way really doesn't help
It isn't the handful of stops that hold things up (I often want to go to St Clements anyway) but the queues caused by the lights in Headdington and the 20mph speed limit over much of the route.
 

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Chester currently has 2 Park & Ride services :

PR1 Wrexham Road - Chester Zoo
PR2 Sealand Road - Boughton Heath

Free parking and £2 per adult to use the services, U16 go free with every paying adult, they have even got some good promotions on with free travel on a Wednesday after 2pm, and £1 Hospital Ticket to encourage people to use the Park and Ride sites on PR1 to travel to the Countess of Chester.
 

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In Oxford they charge for parking AND the bus fare.

I'm fine with that - it's a half-way house between getting the bus all the way into town (in which case everyone would have to pay a bus fare) and driving all the way into town (in which case you'd pay a flat fee for car parking, regardless of how full your car was) - as long as you can pay for the parking and the bus fare at the same time.
 

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Park and Ride schemes are a bit of a curate's egg in a number of ways.

Firstly, there is the argument that you are merely fuelling car use and making it easier in some respects rather than trying to get people to not drive at all. Think there has been research on that but some years ago.

More importantly, there is a bit of a disconnect now in park and ride across the UK. Some places are still very pro, and see it as a key way of meeting their NO2 and clean air targets such as Bath and York. However, in some places you are seeing a mix of collapsing high street footfall (through internet shopping) leading to many towns now promoting cheap (or free) parking in town. That really is against the idea of P&R and supresses demand.

Moreover, the dead hand of austerity means that a number of local authorities have withdrawn or reduced funding. Swindon has closed one site (though I think it was poorly used IIRC) and Worcester has abandoned it altogether. In other instances, you're seeing the dedicated services being axed and replaced by diversions of existing bus services - Salisbury is a good example as is Weymouth and indeed, Swansea have just announced something similar. In some places, there has been a transition to fully commercial operation though (think Plymouth is, and Taunton though with a pump priming grant to transition it from supported to commercial).
 

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Although I've only ever used the non-express one to get back to the interchange from the stop outside the KCOM stadium, I've noticed that in Hull, Stagecoach run two P&R services to and from Priory Park, with one of them a very limited stop service marked as P&RX on the destination display on the bus.
 

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More importantly, there is a bit of a disconnect now in park and ride across the UK. Some places are still very pro, and see it as a key way of meeting their NO2 and clean air targets such as Bath and York. However, in some places you are seeing a mix of collapsing high street footfall (through internet shopping) leading to many towns now promoting cheap (or free) parking in town. That really is against the idea of P&R and supresses demand.

As always, it depends on the city. The likes of York and Durham suit P&R because, as small mediaeval cities with a big tourist trade, the bus stop is closer to where you want to be than the car park. But other cities really don't suit it at all and it's no wonder the schemes are being rowed back.
 

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Leeds currently has three sites in use (of which two are staffed), these are:
- King Lane
- Elland Road
- Temple Green

...with two more in the pipeline:
- Stourton (located at junction 7 of the M621)
- Alwoodley Gates (this would complement the site at King Lane, which would become an overspill of AG).

The fares are per person.
 

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Do any other than Oxford, Cambridge and Bath run late enough into the evening to be useful for working meetings or evenings out? That's usually what stops me: services stopping at 6 or 7 and so useless for the cinema and in work trips risking a long walk back to the car if I go for drinks or dinner.
 

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Do any other than Oxford, Cambridge and Bath run late enough into the evening to be useful for working meetings or evenings out? That's usually what stops me: services stopping at 6 or 7 and so useless for the cinema and in work trips risking a long walk back to the car if I go for drinks or dinner.
Canterbury - P & R finishes about 19:30 but the tickets can be used on regular bus services. Two of the car parks are very close to regular stops (one is just on the other side of the road). Can't enter the car park after 20:30 though.
 

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Edinburgh has at least 4

Edinburgh is another place where the dedicated P&R service has been replaced by "local" bus service - the 48/X48 used to run between Ingleston and Sherrifhall but the tram replaced it at Ingleston and there are no dedicated Park & Ride buses at Sherrifhall any more (AFAICR).

Doncaster is the same - two sites opened with huge fanfare in the good old days of the early millennium when councils/PTEs were well funded - there was a dedicated service between the two P&R sites - numbered 638 because it ran along the A638 - but over time replaced by diverting existing services on the A638 into the P&R sites (making local bus routes less attractive for existing passengers).

(on the subject of the X48 in Edinburgh, it was a good use of resources, providing a service to.from the city centre with the peak flow but also a contra-peak service to/from the RBS HQ at Gogarburn - so the buses were busy in both directions)
 

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Portsmouth Park & Ride, £4 per day for upto 5, (driver and 4 passengers).Flexipasses, weekly, monthly and annual season tickets available, which can greatly reduce the daily cost.

Winchester has 3 or 4 park and ride car park, think the bus does a circular route between the various car parks. Charges vary between peak and off peak hours. Don't know if car park charges include the bus fare or not.
 
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