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HS2: the rolling stock bids

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Today, manufacturers have presented the artist impressions of the trains they are bidding for HS2 with.

Here are the five bids:

Bombardier/Hitachi:
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Alstom:
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Siemens:
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Talgo:
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CAF:
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Third thread about this now, it’ll get more complicated if there are more announcements from even more builders I guess...
 

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It won't in practice look like any of the renderings. I'd be more interested at this stage in what is proposed technically rather than a pretty picture.
 

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In the past renderings have often turned out to be quite close to their final execution.
 

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Mods - can we merge threads? Five bids have been confirmed for the HS2 rolling stock.
 

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High Speed 2 rolling stock bids submitted
railwaygazette.com 05 Jun 2019
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...ew/view/hs2-rolling-stock-bids-submitted.html
UK: The deadline to submit bids for the estimated £2·75bn contract to design, manufacture and maintain the High Speed 2 train fleet passed at midday on June 5. Project promoter HS2 Ltd will now evaluate the five bids received and expects to announce the winner in early 2020, with entry into service planned from 2026.

HS2 Ltd is seeking least 54 trainsets with a maximum speed of 360 km/h; these would be ‘classic compatible’ to enable them to run through from Phase 1 of HS2 between London and the West Midlands onto existing infrastructure to serve destinations including York, Newcastle, Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Alstom, Bombardier Transportation, Hitachi Rail Europe, Talgo and Siemens Mobility were shortlisted for the contract in November 2017. CAF was added the following year ‘in the interest of maintaining robust competition’, after Bombardier Transportation and Hitachi announced a joint bid and the now-cancelled merger of Alstom and Siemens Mobility was planned.
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Alstom
Alstom said its offer was based on a ‘world class, modern and flexible train which is as comfortable on the conventional network as it is on the new HS2 infrastructure’. This would be ‘a timeless design classic, with a passenger experience that is as smooth, calm and spacious as it is high speed’, said Nick Crossfield, Managing Director for Alstom in the UK & Ireland.

Alstom highlighted its record in the high speed sector, including the supply of TGVs in France, AGV sets delivered to Italo-NTV in Italy, the Avelia Liberty sets currently being built for Amtrak in the USA and high speed trains in service in Morocco and South Korea.

Alstom supplied the Pendolino trains used on the UK’s West Coast Main Line, and said it had been the first manufacturer to form a partnership with the National College for High Speed Rail to deliver training on a UK site. It was also a ‘key investor in UK rail expertise’ with its Transport Technology Centre in Widnes.

Bombardier-Hitachi
A joint bid was submitted by Hitachi and Bombardier Transportation.

‘Hitachi-Bombardier’s Great British train for HS2 would be a shining example of British ingenuity’, said Hitachi Rail Managing Director Karen Boswell. ‘Our bid, if successful, would bring significant benefits for economies and communities, while truly transforming connectivity and passengers’ experience.’

Bombardier’s President UK, Phil Hufton, said ‘HS2 is this generation's chance to transform our country’ and ‘our Great British train will connect our great cities and improve the journeys of every passenger’.

Hitachi highlighted its work on Japan’s ‘world-renowned’ Shinkansen ‘bullet trains’, while Bombardier pointed to its international experience in Europe and on the world’s largest high speed network in China.

The two companies have worked together to supply Frecciarossa 1000 trainsets for Italy’s Trenitalia, which they said was the ‘the fastest yet quietest in-service high speed train in Europe’. This is designed to operate at 360 km/h, although it currently runs at up to 300 km/h.

CAF
Railway Gazette has requested a comment from CAF, which is understood to be proposing a version of its Oaris.

Siemens Mobility
‘Our team has worked tirelessly to develop an offer that transforms how passengers experience high speed trains and set the standard for other global high speed rail systems to follow’, said William Wilson, CEO of UK business Siemens Mobility Ltd. ‘I am confident Siemens’ bid will offer HS2 the best combination of value to passengers, taxpayers and the UK economy.’

He said the company’s UK rail presence, technical knowledge and global high speed experience makes Siemens an ‘ideal partner’, highlighting the Velaro family of trainsets used by Eurostar in the UK and also operating in countries including Spain, China, Russia and Germany.

The company has been promoting its Velaro Novo concept, which is designed to improve energy efficiency by up to 30% compared to earlier designs.

Talgo
Talgo declined to comment about its bid.
 

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I just edited the thread title and first post to make this a general thread for all the bids.
 

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Yes I do wonder why CAF and Talgo kept silent on the matter.
 

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It won't in practice look like any of the renderings. I'd be more interested at this stage in what is proposed technically rather than a pretty picture.

The Alstom render does at least show that they've junked the Power Car design they were pushing for AGV-style distributed traction.
 

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For some reason it has tilt bogies off the Pendolino
Good spot!
The bid doesn't require tilt but doesn't stop the manufacturer bidding with it to help meeting timing on the existing network e.g Glasgow run timings specified in detail.
The bid technical documents also contained all the technical info on the existing WCML tilt system just in case any bidder was thinking.

I also suspect the B-H bid will use the Televic tilt system from the Italian Zefiros they built.
 

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But a tilting design would be more expensive so putting it forward can be a risky move.
 

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There's a certain logic to having tilting classic compatibles and non - tilting but wider captive trains.
 

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But a tilting design would be more expensive so putting it forward can be a risky move.
Agreed but if it reduces the line speed improvements (and power supply works) needed on the Northern WCML then it is less risky.
 

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If the decision-makers see it that way with some forward vision, yes.
 

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I very much hope the tilt is included in the final product, rather than long slow rebuilds of the WCML.
 

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I think the Talgo one is the best looking, but I'm really more interested in the tech specs and interior.

I'd rather not have tilt because with tilt comes a tilt profile.
 

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That talgo will fail the dwell time requirement with just one narrow door per car.

There is a reason everyone else has 2 wider doors per car
 

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Dwell time isn’t as important on high speed trains with few stops as on commuter or regional trains. It’s usually not a matter of seconds but of minutes on these trains. French TGVs have always coped well with one door per car.
 

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Dwell time isn’t as important on high speed trains with few stops as on commuter or regional trains. It’s usually not a matter of seconds but of minutes on these trains. French TGVs have always coped well with one door per car.
Unfortunately on HS2 it does at station like Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange where the limit will be 2 minutes and high churn expected combined with 3 platforms per direction and 18tph.
 

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Is that a "proper" Talgo, or is it a classic bogied design?

It better not be, the general consensus seems to be that they ride abominably, have poor legroom and are rather cramped.

High Speed 2 rolling stock bids submitted
railwaygazette.com 05 Jun 2019
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...ew/view/hs2-rolling-stock-bids-submitted.html

Not that looks matter - it's comfort, reliability and performance really, but not one of those looks even vaguely decent. Where do they find modern designers who can't design for snuff?
 
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