Railperf
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dk1
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Not yet. GA still do not own any so only the chosen ones that went across Europe are allowed to go near them with Stadler's blessing of course.
AC47461
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To be honest, an it's only my opinion, I'd be surprised if any embankment widening would happen. There appears to be room but it's a bit of a squeeze, although the up side could probably be extended without the need for a larger bridge over the High Street as it already sits further back than the down side (I'm sure this has been mentioned before).
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Why? Isn't Witham station beyond the signal for 12 car workings on Platform 4 heading country bound? In terms of Hertford East the whole thing needs rebuilding.
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dp21
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Interesting first section. Why would they order anything more when they're replacing the entire fleet? Also, why keep the 379s when it's actually cheaper to lease a 720. Besides, to make the stock homogeneous makes sense from a maintainability perspective.
I've been fortunate enough to on several occasions and I tell you now they're a much nicer place to be than my office.
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4-car/8-car vs 5-car/10-car? Unless you suggest getting additional 4-car 720s?
rdlover777
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apparently, another 12 car is arriving either today or tomorrow
Update: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/tra...HIugBQ-Y-rPZS22lqHM1soNW-ZHvGy7Ae4dHidcLF9wFg
Update: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/tra...HIugBQ-Y-rPZS22lqHM1soNW-ZHvGy7Ae4dHidcLF9wFg
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Pete_uk
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Any pictures of the 12 car trains? I'm not sure if I have seen any pictures of them.
fat_boy_pete
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Yes. Just passed through Colchester. Appeared to be an Inter City unit as I couldn't see Stansted Express branding.
dk1
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745003 IC unit.
Wivenswold
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Nice idea but they'll be waiting until at least 2023 as there are a number of other operators waiting for their Aventras. So they have to keep Renatus 321 or 379s. Having bleated on about fleet renewal, GA will have a tough time explaining why 30 year old trains are staying. The 379s could be maintained by Bombardier at Ilford and they're cleared for WA and many GA routes too. Unless there's a plan C, the 379s are most likely to be the "legacy" fleet for GA for some time to come.
samuelmorris
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I agree, there's a good reason why the 379s weren't kept in the first place. If they thought that was an option they'd probably have done so to begin with.
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I'd prefer that they keep the 379's, it would be a nice upgrade for Southminster branch customers.......
TT-ONR-NRN
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I suppose it wouldn’t be possible to remove a carriage from one or two five carriage 720s and keep them for the Southminster? Ala Gospel Oak 378s.
samuelmorris
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That was an emergency temporary arrangement though. Such may be necessary to mitigate the delays to NR work on the West Anglia side but for Southminster it'd probably need to be permanent.
I think they might also need to be 3-car not 4, as a 4-car 720 will still be 20% longer than a 4-car 321.
RailWonderer
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The 379s were ordered in mid 2010 for late 2010, early 2011 service when we were just recovering from a devastating recession, where lease costs were high, a la 350/2. NX only ordered them to meet a DfT obligation to replace StanEx 317s and so that 12 car peak services could be introduced, NX knew they were losing the franchise and acted like it, and only ordered what they had to. Still, 21 360s isn’t enough and they aren’t even cleared for WAML and can’t run north of Stowmarket unlike 379s. 321 renatus units are the realistic but less favoured option.
Bletchleyite
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They are older, but having been on one the interiors are basically as per a new unit - so I'm not sure what the major downside of them is unless they are less reliable.
Wivenswold
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The lease costs were high for the 379s but the current lease ends next year and with a flood of nearly new rolling stock with few obvious homes to go to, then I would suggest the next lease would be on significantly better terms. It may be that the original lease has ended already or was extended with amended terms either way, we'll be able to say "How much?" Before wandering over to look at the Class 350/2s in the showroom opposite.
rdlover777
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does anyone know what happened to 745001, 745101-103 and 755401-404? since 745002-03, 745104 and 755005-018(?) are here
Pete_uk
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Thanks for the video Grumbler, looks like a good long train!
I can't wait to try one out, Pete!
dk1
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Still undergoing tests or retrofitting in Europe I would imagine.
Renatus 321's are my front runner to stay on the GE and as much as I said the leasing costs are huge for 379's, I do reckon they'll start to replace 317 diagrams on WA as soon as 745's replace them on airports. There's also the ongoing mystery of the lone 317 unit sent to Scotland for PRM mods,maybe it's time to send a search party as nobody seems to have heard anything about it! Maybe they also realised that they mustn't disturb the delicate blend of rust and gaffer tape holding them together
Carlgoss
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It's not April 1st is it? Did you hear the one about the Stadler that was delivered minus seats? It's a story on the street, but doesn't sound like Swiss QC!
Also I note the Trowse sidings storage is moving ahead again, new barriers have gone in and the ground cleared. Can't imagine they'll get more than a couple of sets in there? Just hope the grafitti person 'Spook?' is long gone by the time they start using it.
Also I note the Trowse sidings storage is moving ahead again, new barriers have gone in and the ground cleared. Can't imagine they'll get more than a couple of sets in there? Just hope the grafitti person 'Spook?' is long gone by the time they start using it.
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rdlover777
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samuelmorris
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It seems fairly standard practice for the first few units to stay with the manufacturer longer than the rest, I assume usually because they're fitted with extra test gear that has to be removed before they can be delivered to the operator.