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Abellio Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

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RailWonderer

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The 360s will not be hanging around I would say unfortunately from what I've heard. Their reliability figures have dropped since Abellio have decided to water down Siemens direct involvement with them as far as full service maintenance contract is concerned and I doubt that this will change with the plan being that everything at Illford will be Bombardier maintained and I know from industry sources that Angel Trains really wanted them to be maintained by Siemens to continue to get the class leading performance figures of other Desiro fleets.
Again thanks FGE for those nuggets. I could tell the 360s weren’t being maintained as well since the carpets are tar black in some areas where the seats face each other. The air con units are mossy in some areas and the loos...awful.

The Corby completion coincides with then the 360s will be finished at GA so like others my money is also on them being geared up to 110mph, made 2+2 and refurbed with paintwork and more.

Drawing this discussion back to the Stadler units,
As long as half of them are in service by the end of this year the 317s can be displaced but 321s still have another 2 years left and the Renatus ones will be last to go unfortunately.
Anyone know what first will look like on the 745/0s? That’s what I’ve been waiting for.
 

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Again thanks FGE for those nuggets. I could tell the 360s weren’t being maintained as well since the carpets are tar black in some areas where the seats face each other. The air con units are mossy in some areas and the loos...awful.

The Corby completion coincides with then the 360s will be finished at GA so like others my money is also on them being geared up to 110mph, made 2+2 and refurbed with paintwork and more.

Drawing this discussion back to the Stadler units,
As long as half of them are in service by the end of this year the 317s can be displaced but 321s still have another 2 years left and the Renatus ones will be last to go unfortunately.
Anyone know what first will look like on the 745/0s? That’s what I’ve been waiting for.
I'm not sure interior maintenance is the same thing - the 360s have been pretty mucky inside since GA first took the franchise.

GA's 'virtual tour' of the 745s should give you a fair idea what you can expect from the First Class section - https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/newtrains/360tour
 

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Again thanks FGE for those nuggets. I could tell the 360s weren’t being maintained as well since the carpets are tar black in some areas where the seats face each other. The air con units are mossy in some areas and the loos...awful.
Originally they were under a full service contract but when the original one expired they signed a two year maintenance contract with Siemens, I believe that has now expired or is about to expire.
As long as half of them are in service by the end of this year the 317s can be displaced but 321s still have another 2 years left and the Renatus ones will be last to go unfortunately.

The 317s are the worst of the lot, they are very well worn, especially the ones that had the lighter refurbishments. Was on one from Bishops Stortford to Cambridge a few weeks ago and it was a right heap with poor lights, struggling to keep to time and not very smooth.
 

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Again thanks FGE for those nuggets. I could tell the 360s weren’t being maintained as well since the carpets are tar black in some areas where the seats face each other. The air con units are mossy in some areas and the loos...awful.

The Corby completion coincides with then the 360s will be finished at GA so like others my money is also on them being geared up to 110mph, made 2+2 and refurbed with paintwork and more.

Drawing this discussion back to the Stadler units,
As long as half of them are in service by the end of this year the 317s can be displaced but 321s still have another 2 years left and the Renatus ones will be last to go unfortunately.
Anyone know what first will look like on the 745/0s? That’s what I’ve been waiting for.

But wont the 720s rather than the 745s mainly be replacing the 321s?
 

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That confused me. 720s are the main replacent for the 317s too.
Just for clarity, I meant the 745 will replace 379s which will replace 317s on Liverpool St - Cambridge/Herts routes and I imagine it will be that way for a while since 720s are delayed by over a year.
 

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Just for clarity, I meant the 745 will replace 379s which will replace 317s on Liverpool St - Cambridge/Herts routes and I imagine it will be that way for a while since 720s are delayed by over a year.
Ahh I see. Yes I suppose that's how it will happen. The 745/1 has not done too much spending most of its time on the depot. Lots more testing & driver training to be done on the West before any enter public service.
 

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in regards to 755 326... I thougt GA were getting 14, not atleast 26. Are they going the old number system route and just carrying on the numbers despite subclass like the LNER did under Thompson?
 

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I know not the most reliable source, but Wikipedia says that GA are getting 755401-424 and 755325-338
Possibly allowing for the /3s to be converted to /4s at some point in the future?
 

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I know not the most reliable source, but Wikipedia says that GA are getting 755401-424 and 755325-338
Possibly allowing for the /3s to be converted to /4s at some point in the future?
That is correct on both counts.
 

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I know not the most reliable source, but Wikipedia says that GA are getting 755401-424 and 755325-338
Possibly allowing for the /3s to be converted to /4s at some point in the future?

That is correct on both counts.

But if the DfT, AGA and Stadler are futuring proofing that much, why didn't they just place an order for 34 755/4s right of the bat, and given how these are said to have SDO, short platforms that require the /3 wouldn't be an issue

(says the person who lives in networker land)
 

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Our friends at Crown Point will know why there's a mix of 3 and 4 car Stadlers but probably one or more of;
1)Space
2)Cost
3)Uncertainty over future passenger numbers
4)24 x 4 cars is already a significant upgrade for most services.
 

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Our friends at Crown Point will know why there's a mix of 3 and 4 car Stadlers but probably one or more of;
1)Space
2)Cost
3)Uncertainty over future passenger numbers
4)24 x 4 cars is already a significant upgrade for most services.
Spot on with 2. Why order another 14 vehicles at significant cost that you do not need?
 

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Spot on with 2. Why order another 14 vehicles at significant cost that you do not need?
Indeed, 14 cars + 28 power-packs, (engines, alternators, cooling systems,etc.) + a round-trip to Stadler to fit the new car into the unit.
 

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Three cars (albeit shortish) will be more than adequate most of the time on many of the routes I'd imagine
 

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Three cars (albeit shortish) will be more than adequate most of the time on many of the routes I'd imagine
Hmmm, after experiencing some quite busy 3-car 170's on the Norwich to Cambridge route - will 4-cars be enough?
 

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It makes sense from a cost perspective but lets just hope the 3 cars stay diagrammed to quieter services. If they treat all the 755's in a common pool.....
 

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Not bad, these must be the quickest accepted new unit yet! The 710s have only seen passenger service only a few weeks ago, Bombardier should hang their heads in shame. Now for the 745s approval.
 

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Not bad, these must be the quickest accepted new unit yet! The 710s have only seen passenger service only a few weeks ago, Bombardier should hang their heads in shame. Now for the 745s approval.

I think the 745s will get approval once more then 3 are here
 

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Interesting that the EVNs for these start ‘90’ (Miscellaneous tractive stock) rather ‘94’ (EMUs) or ‘95’ (DMUs). I assume this is because they are electro-diesel, though the Class 73s are ‘91’ (electric locomotives).
Possibly because the power module can be removed to create a different unit type? Or is it because the individual coaches cannot be run in isolation due to only having one (and a half) bogie because of their articulation?
 

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bringing up something that happened last year, did we ever find out who was to blame for 755 406's handbrakes been left on all the way from Europe?
 

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of course, the 720s have only just gone to the test track
Isn't that because bombardiers resources have been focused on getting the class 710 units approved which are mildly similar to the 720s?
Surely it won't take very long before the 720s are approved as all the leg work has now been done with the 710s?
 

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Wonder why the 3 cars are not approved at same time, are they that radically different just missing a car an an engine or two?
 

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