It’s nothing to do with ASLEF. The dispute is between RMT & SWR.If the RMT agree a deal with Swr about what the guards do,wouldn't it have to be approved by ASLEF ? Seeing as Southern drivers got a big pay rise for not having guards .
It’s nothing to do with ASLEF. The dispute is between RMT & SWR.If the RMT agree a deal with Swr about what the guards do,wouldn't it have to be approved by ASLEF ? Seeing as Southern drivers got a big pay rise for not having guards .
I commute on SWR and I can't say that I "feel the hate". On the other hand, I can't love an organisation that tries to prevent me commuting...The RMT may get more public support this time as SWR are comfortably now the most hated TOC in the country (even beating Northern) and given none of the passengers now believe a word SWR say, it is pretty unreasonable to expect the RMT to as SWR hardly have a sparkling record of being customer of staff friendly.
I have to agree, the hate is generally not there.I commute on SWR and I can't say that I "feel the hate". On the other hand, I can't love an organisation that tries to prevent me commuting...
I think it's because on Twitter for example, youll only see the complaints, no need to say anything if you've had a good journey.I commute on SWR and I can't say that I "feel the hate". On the other hand, I can't love an organisation that tries to prevent me commuting...
I commute on SWR and I can't say that I "feel the hate". On the other hand, I can't love an organisation that tries to prevent me commuting...
A lot of passengers who commute will have seen their job change over the past ten years under the guise of efficiency. They may not have been 100% supportive but have had to go with it. Therefore when SWR say Efficiency and RMT rebuke with Safety the RMT argument with the public is lost. Why? Because the public are intelligent enough to know that SWR cannot suggest a change that is fundamentally unsafe.Agreed, “none of the passengers now believe a word SWR says” is absolute rubbish. I work in an office that’s near Queenstown Road (aka: the station that feels like it’s most likely to have its service thinned or cancelled if there are problems) and I can’t say I’ve heard a single colleague say they hate SWR, not that they don’t believe a word they say. When it comes to the strikes, the common opinion seems to be that the strikes are without merit.
Having commutes on various bits of SWT and SWR over the last decade, I really don’t think one is any better or worse than the other.
You talking about Network Rail?I commute on SWR and I can't say that I "feel the hate". On the other hand, I can't love an organisation that tries to prevent me commuting...
I was talking to someone recently about this and they said there should be someone on the trains at all times. Now I know SWR are saying this would be the case but clearly there are people thinking if things change it won't be the case.That’s why the RMT are always deliberately vague about safety.
The public think its DOO and worry about personal safety on the train - ie issues that can be solved by OBS/PCSOs/bouncers depending on time of day!
The RMT keep it quieter that they actually mean other stuff that the public don’t worry about so much and has been agreed as safe by the relevant authorities - ie maintaining safety critical guards.
On the Windsor lines the difference from last time (from memory) is that Windsor is now half hourly instead of hourly , all via Hounslow in place of Hounslow loop services. Also Reading services will have Royal Ascot enhancements. The latter must impact on the ability to provide more services on other lines.https://www.southwesternrailway.com/~/link.aspx?_id=03fe22914601439782e3b1ad6951cad9&_z=z
The strike timetables or route plans are now up.
Oddly, the Romsey rounders aren’t running, and the 1T shuttles only as far as Winchester. I’m sure there’s many other differences too.
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/~/link.aspx?_id=03fe22914601439782e3b1ad6951cad9&_z=z
The strike timetables or route plans are now up.
Oddly, the Romsey rounders aren’t running, and the 1T shuttles only as far as Winchester. I’m sure there’s many other differences too.
I seem to recall the Romsey rounders not running in previous strikes either
The following isn't a criticism but statement of facts There is no mention of Guildford to Farnham services, that now run Mondays to Saturdays. However they do mention Guildford to Ascot, even though there are no Guildford to Ascot services Monday to Saturday and on the day they do run, Sundays, they are not striking on.https://www.southwesternrailway.com/~/link.aspx?_id=03fe22914601439782e3b1ad6951cad9&_z=z
The strike timetables or route plans are now up.
Oddly, the Romsey rounders aren’t running, and the 1T shuttles only as far as Winchester. I’m sure there’s many other differences too.
On the Windsor lines the difference from last time (from memory) is that Windsor is now half hourly instead of hourly , all via Hounslow in place of Hounslow loop services. Also Reading services will have Royal Ascot enhancements. The latter must impact on the ability to provide more services on other lines.
No, that's just on the Saturday of Royal Ascot. On Weekdays it's the normal Windsor lines service, with Reading enhanced to 4tph for much of the off-peak. The variation on the Saturday is to allow 6tph to operate to Ascot.I think that this is the normal service during Royal Ascot. Windsor trains diverted to Ascot and the Weybridge via Hounslow starting from Windsor
there aren't 4car units that run?I’m almost certain they ran in part, as a manager had an ‘incident’ in a 4 car... ill let you fill in the gaps.
Ok thanks for the clarification, I knew that the trains were altered at some point for AscotNo, that's just on the Saturday of Royal Ascot. On Weekdays it's the normal Windsor lines service, with Reading enhanced to 4tph for much of the off-peak. The variation on the Saturday is to allow 6tph to operate to Ascot.
Fingers crossed. At least it's the top honchos getting together.There are talks tomorrow between Mick Cash and Andy Mellors, there’s still a chance the strikes could be called off.
There are talks tomorrow between Mick Cash and Andy Mellors, there’s still a chance the strikes could be called off.
Yes indeed.A plague on both their houses.
Don't want to offend anyone here and I am ignorant in this but I'm not sure what the problem is?
As far as I understand, current guards will have less responsibility but the same pay as now?
The RMT tout "keep the guard on the train" which suggests trains will run as driver-only, but isn't this untrue? Because the guard will become a "Customer Host" or whatever?
Yes, they'd lose competencies and new guards wouldn't be trained in these anyway but hey, it'll be an easier job right?
To be fair, there are thousands of pages of the same old arguments, so you can't really expect people to pick through all that to find what they're after.I take it that you haven't read any of the, numerous, threads on here about DOO - on Southern, Northern etc.