Stagecoach plan £80m investment in new buses

goldisgood · 21 May 2019

A small update already from yesterday - there were 14 E400s missing which have now been added by Steven Knight, which are for Morecambe.

51/131 ADL Enviro 400MMCs
11139-11156 Morecambe [Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire] Route 1 [YX68 UWN/O/P/R/S/T/U/V/W/Y/X, UXA/B/C/D/E/F/G]
11157 Carlisle [Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire] Route 685 [YX68 UXH]
11158 Carlisle but currently with Stagecoach UK Bus for IT cloud evaluation [Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire] Route 685 [YX68 UXJ]
11161-11162 Elgin [Stagecoach North Scotland] Route 35 [SK19 EKD/E]
11163-11175 Macduff [Stagecoach North Scotland] Route 35 [SK19 EKF/G/H/J/L/M/O/P/R/T/U/V/W]
11176-11191 Aberhill [Stagecoach East Scotland] Route 7 [YX19 OUA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K/L/N/O/P/S]
11192-11201 Hull [Stagecoach East Midlands]
11202-11215 Morecambe [Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire] I'd guess routes 100/2X?
(17) Northampton [Stagecoach Midlands]
(21) Witney [Stagecoach Oxfordshire] Routes S1/S2
(18) Sharston [Stagecoach Manchester]

0/95 ADL Enviro 200MMC (11.8m)
(24) Thanet [Stagecoach South East] Route Loop
(21) Hull [Stagecoach East Midlands]
(18) Stockton [Stagecoach North East] Routes 36/37/38
(32) Basingstoke [Stagecoach South] Routes 1 and 2 (18)? Other routes?

0/28 ADL Enviro 200 MMC (10.8m)
37602-37615 Holbrook [Stagecoach Yorkshire]
37616-37629 Cheltenham [Stagecoach West] Routes D/E

0/12 Volvo B8L/ADL Enviro 400MMC XLB
13901-13912 Fenstanton/Busway [Stagecoach East] Route B

0/32 BYD/ADL Enviro 400 400 electric
(32) Sharston [Stagecoach Manchester] I've seen routes 43 and 147 mentioned for these?

0/12 Optare Metrocity electric
(12) Caerphilly [Stagecoach South Wales]

0/4 Optare Solo electric
(4) Caerphilly [Stagecoach South Wales]

0/3 Optare Solo SR slimline
48041-48043 Merthyr [Stagecoach South Wales] EDIT: 43/X43? Thanks TGW

0/12 Volvo B8RLE/MCV
(12) Merthyr [Stagecoach South Wales] Routes T4/T14

0/14 Volvo B11Rle double deck coaches
50406-50411 Megabus/Cumbernauld [Stagecoach West Scotland]
50412-50419 CityLink/Cumbernauld [Stagecoach West Scotland] 900 mentioned for these?

8/8 Volvo B11R/Caetano Levate III coaches
54404-54411 National Express duties/Chesterfield [Stagecoach Yorkshire] Currently being delivered.

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iantherev · 21 May 2019

Vehicles on Caerphilly local services tend to cycle through all the routes as the day goes on so it’s likely they will appear on more than just the A/B.

Tetchytyke · 22 May 2019

goldisgood said:
Local sources up there suggest that only Stockton will be getting buses. The people up there are usually pretty reliable, but they could be wrong.

That's what I'd heard too. And Stockton do need to get rid of the last ALX300s.

It's a shame Newcastle's single deck fleet isn't seeing new stuff, the MANs really are clapped out, especially the Kinetics but also the E300s. The E400s aren't too bad, a deep clean and new moquette would do, but I'd agree with @TheGrandWazoo that some TLC is needed.

overthewater · 26 May 2019

I' ve only notice, this

12 Volvo B8L/ADL Enviro 400MMC XLB: 13901-13912 Fenstanton/Busway [Stagecoach East]

I hope it has real axle steering.

robk23oxf · 26 May 2019

overthewater said:
I' ve only notice, this

12 Volvo B8L/ADL Enviro 400MMC XLB: 13901-13912 Fenstanton/Busway [Stagecoach East]

I hope it has real axle steering.

It would be very unlikely not to have rear-wheel steering.

Jordan Adam · 26 May 2019

robk23oxf said:
It would be very unlikely not to have rear-wheel steering.

You say that however all the example built so far don't have rear wheel steering.

robk23oxf · 27 May 2019

Jordan Adam said:
You say that however all the example built so far don't have rear wheel steering.

I'm surprised they don't have the same system as the coaches. I've driven a tri-axle Leyland with no power steering, I had arms like Popeye after that trip!

Jordan Adam · 27 May 2019

robk23oxf said:
I'm surprised they don't have the same system as the coaches. I've driven a tri-axle Leyland with no power steering, I had arms like Popeye after that trip!

Most Tri-axle double deckers that have the main drive axle in the middle lack rear wheel steering. It is offered however.

WestCountry · 27 May 2019

overthewater said:
12 Volvo B8L/ADL Enviro 400MMC XLB: 13901-13912 Fenstanton/Busway [Stagecoach East]

I hope it has real axle steering.

Would rear-axle steering work at all with the Busway guide-wheels?
It's true that watching tri-axle buses negotiate the Jesus Lane corner will be interesting.

SeveerYeliab · 30 May 2019

Those Thanet loop buses surprise me. Loads of other buses need replacing in east Kent. Does make sense now why all the existing enviro 200s are being painted into plain livery. Don’t know where there going though?

Also, ashford and Herne Bay really need to get rid of those alx400s but can’t see them going any time soon some from 2002 I think!

GaryMcEwan · 30 May 2019

WestCountry said:
Would rear-axle steering work at all with the Busway guide-wheels?
It's true that watching tri-axle buses negotiate the Jesus Lane corner will be interesting.

I'm certain the E400XLB's don't come with rear-axle streering. Lothian's certainly don't have it anyway.

Lynford1976 · 30 May 2019

SeveerYeliab said:
Those Thanet loop buses surprise me. Loads of other buses need replacing in east Kent. Does make sense now why all the existing enviro 200s are being painted into plain livery. Don’t know where there going though?

Also, ashford and Herne Bay really need to get rid of those alx400s but can’t see them going any time soon some from 2002 I think!

The Thanet Loop is one of the routes that generates revenue, so gets investment. Darts and Solos will be replaced by the resultant cascades.

SeveerYeliab · 31 May 2019

Lynford1976 said:
The Thanet Loop is one of the routes that generates revenue, so gets investment. Darts and Solos will be replaced by the resultant cascades.

Yes I would be nice to have enviro 200s Somwhere that isn’t Thanet in east Kent

Gingerbus1991 · 31 May 2019

GaryMcEwan said:
I'm certain the E400XLB's don't come with rear-axle streering. Lothian's certainly don't have it anyway.

It would be nice to know if Volvo can actually fit an active tag.

goldisgood · 31 May 2019

SeveerYeliab said:
Yes I would be nice to have enviro 200s Somwhere that isn’t Thanet in east Kent

I'd assume the new MMCs, which are due imminently according to Steven Knight Media, will displace the Enviro 200s to replace Darts.

SeveerYeliab · 31 May 2019

I have found this on bus times - starting July - anything in the order for this?

https://bustimes.org/services/m2-canterbury-chatham-london

Jordan Adam · 31 May 2019

SeveerYeliab said:
I have found this on bus times - starting July - anything in the order for this?

https://bustimes.org/services/m2-canterbury-chatham-london

Nope, it's going to be using "Elderly Elites".

SeveerYeliab · 31 May 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Nope, it's going to be using "Elderly Elites".

I’d assume from hene bay?

Typhoon · 31 May 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Nope, it's going to be using "Elderly Elites".

Yes, old friends from the 537** group which previously ran NEx journeys round here.

SeveerYeliab said:
I’d assume from hene bay?

Based at Herne Bay - several already on site (or were last time I passed by).

johnw · 11 Jun 2019

According to this, unless it’s an additional order the 17 Enviro 400 MMCs noted for Stagecoach Midlands at Northampton are actually for Leamington for the Unibus service.

https://www.warwickcourier.co.uk/ne...students-living-in-warwick-district-1-8955933

goldisgood · 11 Jun 2019

johnw said:
According to this, unless it’s an additional order the 17 Enviro 400 MMCs noted for Stagecoach Midlands at Northampton are actually for Leamington for the Unibus service.

https://www.warwickcourier.co.uk/ne...students-living-in-warwick-district-1-8955933

Sometimes the orders are initially noted down as for the 'main' depot of the region, in this case Northampton. If the buses are due in a few months then this seems about the time that the Midlands ones were hinted to arrive. I assume that the Enviro 400s currently on the service will then be moved around to see the worst of the Tridents withdrawn.

johnw · 11 Jun 2019

Exactly

Bungle965 · 12 Jun 2019

GaryMcEwan said:
I'm certain the E400XLB's don't come with rear-axle streering. Lothian's certainly don't have it anyway.

Are you 100% sure that having rear-axle steering isn't an option or are you just assuming?
Sam

Jordan Adam · 12 Jun 2019

Bungle965 said:
Are you 100% sure that having rear-axle steering isn't an option or are you just assuming?
Sam

It could be an option, but none have been built with it as of yet.

Bungle965 · 12 Jun 2019

Jordan Adam said:
It could be an option, but none have been built with it as of yet.

Indeed, that's my thinking.
I can imagine it probably will be an option.
Sam

mbonwick · 12 Jun 2019

An option that I don't imagine Stagecoach will specify, given that a Lothian E400XLB successfully undertook route trials on the Busway before the order was placed.

175mph · 20 Jun 2019

Hull now has it's new fleet: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promo...t=&utm_campaign=simplibus-hull-new-buses-emid

I wonder if the buses they are replacing will end up making their way to less fortunate depots such as Scunthorpe? I'd love to see some double-decker Enviro400s in Scunthorpe that aren't just on loan and are permanently allocated, as the current East Lancs Vyking double-deckers feel uncomfortable to travel on in comparison.

I'd also love to see the 04 reg darts replaced too.

Wirewiper · 24 Jun 2019

Surreyman said:
They have included them in the past, probably to 'look good'
At the moment the only vehicles known to be on order/outstanding for London are 7 more E400 (11075-11081) due end of May.
Not yet ordered, Route 323 from January 2020 has just been re-awarded with New Electric S/deck -PVR 4. Very likely ADL/BYD E200EV, but not confirmed.
Stagecoach London have lost a number of routes recently and are due to lose a few more, so requirement for new vehicles down, but they could be awarded new contracts anytime, so that could change.

Yes definitely not confirmed! Yutong are still keen to break into the London market, and Stagecoach has had their E10 demonstrator on trial on route 323.

Wirewiper · 24 Jun 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Nope, it's going to be using "Elderly Elites".

Makes sense, start out with depreciated vehicles and invest in new(er) ones if the service is a success. This is exactly how Megabus was established.

Jordan Adam · 24 Jun 2019

Wirewiper said:
Makes sense, start out with depreciated vehicles and invest in new(er) ones if the service is a success. This is exactly how Megabus was established.

Spot on. Sadly however i suspect even now those Olympians would be more reliable than "elderly" B9R's.

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