PHILIPE
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Exactly. They should have fully checked
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Exactly. They should have fully checked
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Highlandspring
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If it actually happened which we have no idea given we’re hearing about it third hand on an anonymous internet forum. Please remember that before rushing to print, Mr Dalton.
Pressure!!!!
So. Just to be clear.
This alleged incident if we want to call it that was relayed to me by a person on the train that was allegedly locked with passengers on it in Stirling station sometime last week. The person I know has no interest in trains and is a recent commuter having just moved back to Scotland from abroad. I saw no reason to suspect that as an intelligent person that he volunteered the incident to me as a fabricated event. But I shall when I see him in person next just corroborate it or establish if for some unlikely reason he made it up for some unknown reason. He has no knowledge I am on this forum.
Also. To be clear. Are you saying no one on this forum should report second hand information that has not been corroborated and verified as a fact ? It seems this forum is full of posts saying. I have heard. Rumour has it etc etc.
I have no desire to land any on board staff who I hold in high regard in the main in trouble for a possible oversight where no one was at risk of injury.
I will establish the facts more critically and ponder !
kilonewton
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Therein lies the rub. Caveats like that range from outright fabrication, to outright facts from people in the know that are not yet in the public domain. The latter so as to appear to be second/third etc hand info to maintain some sense of anonymity / deniability about being the “leaker”.
Well you see if you can at least supply a date, folk might be able to check if it actually happened. As it stands, there is no date and it is 2nd hand info from you to an anonymous internet discussion board so folk are a little bit surprised that they have not heard of such incident
swt_passenger
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They are there to provide the braking force for the overall train, because the unit(s) being delivered are unbraked.
Is there any news on 385101 and 385002. I understand that they were being delivered back to Newton Aycliffe on the 5th June but the formations page says that they're 'On Route'. Many thanks in advance
That should of read '385002'
Typhoon_93
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The 4 sets from Italy are still being prepared/commissioned at Aycliffe along with 385041/042 however 043/044 are still yet to appear in test but I understand they are complete.
matchmaker
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Remember that the 4 car units have a very visible 1st class section at one end.
I have now seen my friend who was on the train that was locked with passengers aboard at Stirling . Confirmed as 100% true! It was the service which splits at Stirling , part to Alloa part to Dunblane. He was on the rear section for Dunblane at Edinburgh. He was told to move to the leading set as in the new timetable it now goes first , albeit it seems to change from day to day which set is for Alloa or Dunblane. The train was delayed at Larbert for 40 mins . There was no announcement or none that that coach heard . It seems it was terminated at Stirling , but no announcement . A fellow passenger , not Scotrail popped into the front coach and said we need to change trains. Thinking they knew better as advised by the guard that this was the Dunblane section they stayed on as is normal for the Dunblane section to get under way . After a while the power dropped . They then decided to get off to enquire, but the doors were locked .There was no panic and no one even thought to bust the panel to open the doors as it was not an emergency to escape , they patiently waited till they attracted a Scotrail staff who opened the train after some 20 mins since it stopped at Stirling . No panic and good natured banter on the train .
You won't move forward if you mention it in the forum.
How about filing a direct mail with https://twitter.com/ScotRail?
"move forward"?
I am not lodging a complaint nor seeking an explanation
I merely mentioned it as a ps on a post about faults with the doors .
It was then suggested the incident was fabricated , uncorroborated and highly unlikely event , hence setting the record straight as requested
Im not on twitter or facebook as im not a fan of social media, this is about as much social media I do !
Do you have a date?
Is there still doubt in your mind as to the event or some other motive ?
Thank you for the information
Mordac
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I don't think his love life is relevant.
I don't think his love life is relevant.
indeed ! like what you did there!
But talking of coupling …… it seems this train separation at Stirling is often a protracted affair .
Is the 385 more complex in this regard or is there an unresolved fault that causes delays due to difficulty uncoupling?
scotraildriver
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There is no fault, however there is a detailed procedure which must be followed. It's not difficult but it must be done correctly and in a strict order. If done wrong a fault can be created. The problem is there are only a small handful of splits of 385s in service,so drivers have little chance to practice or get used to it and are using prompt cards to help them. Some drivers haven't done it at all, except in training. It will get quicker as people get more familiar with it. It is however very different to a diesel unit.
hexagon789
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I was under the impression that that was the plan anyway, to run double sets all day?
Highlandspring
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It is.
scotraildriver
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It's much more reliable. Splitting and joining is a source of delay and short forming. Plus there isn't really space anywhere to store unused 385s during the day, then you also need staff to go to and from depots all day to drop them off and collect them. There are no spare paths to do this now. Finally it is hoped passenger growth will fill the trains up in future.
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Does anyone know if the 385s are able to run up to 100mph on the Lanark Line?
Still with this? They aren't that quiet, and where they are it isn't possible to predict when it will be. The units are available, the energy cost of running them is low and the cost of managing the cast off units is high. You'd have to be aggressively determined that nobody ever got a double seat to want to separate them. Sure it's a pity they wasted all that effort on gangways and tiny cabs when they're running full length anyway, but there's no point compounding the error by running busy trains while empty carriages clog up the stations
hexagon789
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Cheers. Presumably that will remain the case when 8-car working is introduced.
Not on the Lanark branch itself but there is some 100-105mph running Lanark Junction to Glasgow. Though I'm 100% not sure there is sufficient distance for a set to attain 100mph between stations; the longest stretch would be about 2 miles.
First hint of where the additional 385’s would run if ScotRail franchise extended?
https://twitter.com/alastairdalton/status/1140507111971049472?s=21
https://twitter.com/alastairdalton/status/1140507111971049472?s=21
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