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ECML Disruption (12/06)

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National Rail is also showing overhead problems due to trees down near Lockerbie blocking the WCML so no trains running north of Carlisle at the moment. Flooding also affecting several lines in the north west.
 
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Fatality on the East Coast in addition to OHLE problems both there and on the West Coast.
 
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Intermodal said:
It was a fatality. Nothing to do with the particular line or geographic location. Don't try and make something out of nothing.
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In addition to today, the East Coast has been badly disrupted by broken down trains (I don't know which ones, specifically) on several occasions over the last week which may be what @Sken has in mind. There were OHLE problems on top of everything else today too.
 
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Both a fatality (just North of Morpeth) and OHL not available on the Up line (near Grantshouse, between Dunbar and Berwick).

Fair to say not a good day on the ECML - an Extreme Disruption Day has been declared.
 
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43094 said:
Both a fatality (just North of Morpeth) and OHL not available on the Up line (near Grantshouse, between Dunbar and Berwick).

Fair to say not a good day on the ECML - an Extreme Disruption Day has been declared.
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Not helped by the West Coast also being out of action between Carlisle and Lockerbie (specifically in the Floriston area, AIUI). Anyone wanting to travel between England and Scotland by rail today will have had their work cut out.
 
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Ah, now, if the Waverly Route were to be reinstated in its entirety, there would have been a diversionary route available.

Tongue firmly in cheek...
 
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Intermodal said:
It was a fatality. Nothing to do with the particular line or geographic location. Don't try and make something out of nothing.
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The LNER website referred to incidents. It’s easy to assume it’s rail related.

Thinking of the victim.
 
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Intermodal said:
It was a fatality. Nothing to do with the particular line or geographic location. Don't try and make something out of nothing.
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Calling a fatality ‘nothing’ isn’t the first description that comes to mind, though I think I understand what point you’re making.
 
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Sken said:
Problems again on the ECML with multiple incidents blocking the down line, one train below over 4hrs 30 late! Must be horrible for passengers onboard considering the train was not platformed

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y31137/2019/06/12/advanced
4hrs late

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y31142/2019/06/12/advanced
3hrs 30 late

The ECML seems to be having increasingly frequent 'meltdowns' - any particular reasons for this?
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Why 4 and a half hours? That's really too long in between stations. That wasn't the fatality train either I don't think (it was the other direction).
 
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gazzaa2 said:
Why 4 and a half hours? That's really too long in between stations. That wasn't the fatality train either I don't think (it was the other direction).
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As well as the fatality there was multiple tripping out of the Overhead lines in the Granthouse area, believe Thunderbird was sent, couldn't couple at one end so had to try other.

Power trio believed to be caused by a bird (found dead), when tried to restore power kept tripping.
 
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JamesGar said:
As well as the fatality there was multiple tripping out of the Overhead lines in the Granthouse area, believe Thunderbird was sent, couldn't couple at one end so had to try other.

Power trio believed to be caused by a bird (found dead), when tried to restore power kept tripping.
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Fatility train was heading south (1E07).
 
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Intermodal said:
It was a fatality. Nothing to do with the particular line or geographic location. Don't try and make something out of nothing.
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The fatality itself didn't really cause that many issues. Most of the problems were the OLE trips and the resulting failure of 1E08.
 
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JamesGar said:
As well as the fatality there was multiple tripping out of the Overhead lines in the Granthouse area, believe Thunderbird was sent, couldn't couple at one end so had to try other.

Power trio believed to be caused by a bird (found dead), when tried to restore power kept tripping.
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The difficulty in getting the thunderbird on the rear was down to a fault with Oxwellmains crossover; getting it on the front wasn't an option for various reasons. The multiple OLE trips were caused by a combination of the bird, vegetation and a flashed over insulator.
 
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Am intrigued as to why LNER are saying that the 2333 Kings Cross-Leeds "will be delayed between Doncaster and Leeds and is expected to be 34 minutes late. This is due to a fault with the signalling system."

It's booked to go the long way round from Doncaster via Askern and Normanton. I'm not sure there's another route from Donny to Leeds where you could lose another 34 minutes, unless it was doing something crazy like going via Sheffield and Darton!
 
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Heard there is an emergency isolation along some parts of the ECML tonight. Is this related to the above ?
 
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robbeech said:
Calling a fatality ‘nothing’ isn’t the first description that comes to mind, though I think I understand what point you’re making.
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I understood it to mean that a fatality is not unique to the ECML, so it is wrong to attempt to infer that something is wrong with the ECML based on the fact that it was a fatality.
 
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Mag_seven said:
What does that mean exactly (from the point of view of the passenger/customer)?
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I believe it means CSL2 (Customer Service Level 2) is put into place - in other words, the disruption is that severe, no TOC restrictions are put in place, travel is not advised unless absolutely necessary. We often see it when there's storms or multiple incidents as today.

There's a great document linked below on Virgin's policy for 'Managing Service Disruption' - I'm not sure whether it should be public, but it was the second result when I googled 'CSL2':

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/~/media/0fc64bf808214ea98236e2c5dd92d4cb.ashx
 
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IanXC said:
Step above CSL2. Advice not to travel, ticket valid tomorrow is the usual content.
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I believe it means CSL2 (Customer Service Level 2) is put into place - in other words, the disruption is that severe, no TOC restrictions are put in place, travel is not advised unless absolutely necessary. We often see it when there's storms or multiple incidents as today.

There's a great document linked below on Virgin's policy for 'Managing Service Disruption' - I'm not sure whether it should be public, but it was the second result when I googled 'CSL2':

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/~/media/0fc64bf808214ea98236e2c5dd92d4cb.ashx
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That explains it nicely - thanks.
 
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_toommm_ said:
I believe it means CSL2 (Customer Service Level 2) is put into place - in other words, the disruption is that severe, no TOC restrictions are put in place, travel is not advised unless absolutely necessary. We often see it when there's storms or multiple incidents as today.

There's a great document linked below on Virgin's policy for 'Managing Service Disruption' - I'm not sure whether it should be public, but it was the second result when I googled 'CSL2':

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/~/media/0fc64bf808214ea98236e2c5dd92d4cb.ashx
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The idea is that CSL1 is the usual service, CSL2 is saying that more effort is required by the business (it is after all an internal designation) to ensure customers receive any kind of service, LNER's 'Extreme Disruption Day' sits above that, and CSL2 Black (declared by Network Rail) is the formal do not travel "abandon all hope ye who step onto a platform".
 
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