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BSWTECHNICIAN
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172001 is now all liveried up and in service as of yesterday
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Thanks.
Needed as the rest of the 172s now seem to be being cycled through Ilford for refurbs.
satisnek
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The train I caught on Friday evening was formed of a pair of 172/0s - nice new interiors, I didn't expect anything else... But the thing went like the proverbial brown stuff off a shovel, including going up Old Hill Bank like it wasn't there! I've never experienced anything like this with the regular 172s, I've always thought that they were no better than a healthy 150 and put it down to the (wasted) 100mph maximum speed capacity. As far as I can ascertain, the 172/0s have the same engines and transmissions, so how come the performance is so different?
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The 172/0 behaves no differently on Old Hill bank than a 172/3 or 172/2. They're mechanically identical.
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Having travelled on a Class 170/0 on the Nuneaton to Cov services here's my observations:-
Good points:- Excellent acceleration, much better than the Class 153, however this is still hampered by the low line speed between Nuneaton and Coventry,Wide doors keeping dwell times to a miminum, Excellent seat to window alignment, significant increase in seating capacity against Class 153 (apart from Saturdays when was usually a pair), good legroom
Bad points:- Noisy inside and out particularly when idling seems worse than a 153, no visible USB/power sockets, no tables between facing seats and no flip down tables on airline seats, no arm rests on any seats, on more than 2 journeys no working passenger information displays although there were automated announcements, very upright stiff seating and not as comfortable as Class 153 seating. Couldn't see any bins either in end of coach. I'm sure there were some somewhere?
Good points:- Excellent acceleration, much better than the Class 153, however this is still hampered by the low line speed between Nuneaton and Coventry,Wide doors keeping dwell times to a miminum, Excellent seat to window alignment, significant increase in seating capacity against Class 153 (apart from Saturdays when was usually a pair), good legroom
Bad points:- Noisy inside and out particularly when idling seems worse than a 153, no visible USB/power sockets, no tables between facing seats and no flip down tables on airline seats, no arm rests on any seats, on more than 2 journeys no working passenger information displays although there were automated announcements, very upright stiff seating and not as comfortable as Class 153 seating. Couldn't see any bins either in end of coach. I'm sure there were some somewhere?
Bins have been ordered and arrive soon.
Your analysis is pretty much what everyone has been saying. The units are a step up on the dogboxes but the gearbox on the 172 is awful. Changes gear like a learner driver on a first lesson! Low speed control is interesting.
As predicted though, the new through service is suffering from delays on the Cov - Leam stretch.
Some crew/passengers have already called for the return of the 153's!
Your analysis is pretty much what everyone has been saying. The units are a step up on the dogboxes but the gearbox on the 172 is awful. Changes gear like a learner driver on a first lesson! Low speed control is interesting.
As predicted though, the new through service is suffering from delays on the Cov - Leam stretch.
Some crew/passengers have already called for the return of the 153's!
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You can have the 153’s, we’re fed up of the things at Worcester
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Really (as regards crew and passengers calling for the return of the 153's) ??? Blimey the 172's must be not as popular then. I think they're better than 153's!
I bet. Raw deal that getting all the 153 work!
Some passengers & crew. The majority definitely wouldn't go back, me included!
Its been talked about for years, even before Kenilworth was in the planning stages, to get 172's working the line. It's finally happened and now everyone travels in comfort, and has space to breathe.
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One ended up on Birmingham - Shrewsbury yesterday and today! Apparently traincrew at Salop have been deemed competent to work them for another few months even though they have no more booked work on them.
The look on their faces must've been priceless when they were told that.
Even the greatest refurb out can't make those things better.
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I don't mind them personally - if nothing else they're easy to keep tabs on all your passengers with. My own employer is refurbishing some right now and I look forward to the end result. We're getting off topic though..... And I'm sure I'd love to be working 172s instead! I'd hoped the London Overground units would come to us when it looked like they were going spare but sadly it was not to be.
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6 months without working one before you can knock them off your card!
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It varies between companies, at some it's a year (including my own). However, I also know of some places where when it's no longer part of your depots work, then that's it - it comes off immediately.
Can anyone confirm which services are operated by 2x153 on the Hereford line please? I know there's a 153+170 combo through Snow Hill but I'm sure I saw a pair of 153's attached to a 170 or ex London Overground 172 at Birmingham New Street the other evening. I'm wondering which services it runs all day. Has anyone got any details on workings?
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Are these the Hereford 153 diagrams? Corrections / additions welcome
2x153 only
5M41 0557 Worc LMD-Malvern Wells-Great Malvern
0647 Great Malvern-New Street
0800 New Street-Hereford
0939 Hereford-New Street
1150 New Street-Hereford
1341 Hereford-New Street
1550 New Street-Hereford
1739 Hereford-New Street
1920 New Street-Hereford
5M70 2102 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
2129 Hereford-New Street
2300 New Street-Shrub Hill
5V20 2350 Shrub Hill-Worcester LMD
(works with 170/5 following day)
2x153+170/5
5M53 0622 Worc Middle Siding- SH
0625 Worc SH-New St
0720 New St-Great Malvern
5M05 0823 Great Malvern-Malvern Wells-Great Malvern
0838 Great Malvern-New St
5H05 0946 New St-Tyseley
(Stable / units swap)
5V21 1615 Tyseley-New St
1650 New St-Hereford
5M78 1826 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
1848 Hereford-New St
2100 New St-Hereford
5B86 2228 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
2259 Hereford-Worcester Shrub Hill
(works 2x153 diagram following day)
Also, does anyone know what works this diagram please?
5I99 1657 Tyseley-New Street
2I99 1717 New St-International
5V24 1741 International-New St
1V24 1800 New St-Worc Shrub Hill
1M80 1850 Worc Shrub Hill-New Street
1V28 2000 New St-Worc Shrub Hill
5V28 2042 Worc Shrub Hill-Worcester LMD
(Does this have a morning portion of its diagram?)
Many thanks
2x153 only
5M41 0557 Worc LMD-Malvern Wells-Great Malvern
0647 Great Malvern-New Street
0800 New Street-Hereford
0939 Hereford-New Street
1150 New Street-Hereford
1341 Hereford-New Street
1550 New Street-Hereford
1739 Hereford-New Street
1920 New Street-Hereford
5M70 2102 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
2129 Hereford-New Street
2300 New Street-Shrub Hill
5V20 2350 Shrub Hill-Worcester LMD
(works with 170/5 following day)
2x153+170/5
5M53 0622 Worc Middle Siding- SH
0625 Worc SH-New St
0720 New St-Great Malvern
5M05 0823 Great Malvern-Malvern Wells-Great Malvern
0838 Great Malvern-New St
5H05 0946 New St-Tyseley
(Stable / units swap)
5V21 1615 Tyseley-New St
1650 New St-Hereford
5M78 1826 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
1848 Hereford-New St
2100 New St-Hereford
5B86 2228 Hereford-Diesel Siding-Hereford
2259 Hereford-Worcester Shrub Hill
(works 2x153 diagram following day)
Also, does anyone know what works this diagram please?
5I99 1657 Tyseley-New Street
2I99 1717 New St-International
5V24 1741 International-New St
1V24 1800 New St-Worc Shrub Hill
1M80 1850 Worc Shrub Hill-New Street
1V28 2000 New St-Worc Shrub Hill
5V28 2042 Worc Shrub Hill-Worcester LMD
(Does this have a morning portion of its diagram?)
Many thanks
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Yes, that all looks about right. The train you have coming off Tyseley at 16.57 to New Street, then to Birmingham International etc is booked for a 170/5. Although the diagrammed units you have above seem correct, remember, they can be replaced by other unit types or short formed in the event of a non available unit.
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I believe the 172/2 diagram on the Hereford line has now been replaced by a 170/6, which appears to have been taken off the 170/6 × 2 on the Snow Hill line, which seems now to be a single 170/6. The 172/0 diagram on the Hereford line remains, but seems to be frequently covered by a 172/2.
sufian123
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Hi do you what times the 170/6 at snow hill? I haven’t seen it yet. Thanks
Fully agree, but from the opposite end of the line. They stink to high heaven.
As mentioned previously the 172/2 diagram has been replaced by a 170/6 for now, but the 172/0 is booked for the 0720,1250,1620 and 1850 departures from New St. As @sufian123 notes, a 172/2 often seems to be substituted recently.
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No worries. Makes sense now.
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A couple of corrections to the above. 5M41 & 1M41 are a 170/5 & 2 x 153 with the 170 being detached at New St to work the 07:57 Walsall. 2 & 153 continue with 1V22 ex New St.
1M53 06:25 Wos New St,07:20 New St - Grt Malv & 08:38 Grt Malv - New st are a 172/0 which then goes to Tys returning to New St to form the 12:50 Hfd.
2B00 05:56 Wos - Hfd 1M57 07:09 Hfd - New St,08:50 New St - Hfd & 10:39 Hfd - New St are the 170/5 & 2 x 153. They go to Tys after arrival at New st at 12:09 & come back out for the 16:50 Hfd. I worked 2B00 & 1M57 yesterday & 1M41 & 1V22 today.
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The 172/2 diagram was changed after complaints from both Traincrew & station staff due to overcrowding on the 07:00 ex New St & 08:45 ex Hfd.
The 172/0 diagram is currently 003. They’ve had a few issues with the /0’s which is why we’ve had a /2 on the diagram.
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ECS Worcs LMD - Sbj then 07:09 Stourbridge-Whitlocks & Rtn to Stourbridge. Then works a semi fast (stops Cradley,Rowley & Smethwick only) to Snow Hill. Goes ECS to Tys & the. Comes out again in the evening rush hour for the 16:32 Bsw - Whitlocks,17:06 to Stourbridge,18:07 to Whitlocks then ECS to Worcs LMD
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