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The Crewe to Chester shuttle is now bustituted due to "More trains than usual under repairs at the same time". This is starting to resemble a broken record now and heading towards being the norm rather than unusual.
 

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The Crewe to Chester shuttle is now bustituted due to "More trains than usual under repairs at the same time". This is starting to resemble a broken record now and heading towards being the norm rather than unusual.
Substitute 'repairs' for 'PRM modifications' and 'franchise mandated refurbishment' (in the case of the 175s)
 

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Sounds like there were several 150s on Manchester - South Wales yesterday.

A rare treat of a 158 on my Carmarthen - Manchester train this morning.
 

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There's a typo, it'll just be the two 37's with four coaches each. Not sure where they've got seven from
They also caption a photo with "four sets of locomotive-pulled carriages". That's technically true, if you count the existing MkIII sets in North Wales, but not particularly relevant to the Valley Lines of the article title...

It is, however, a broadly neutral-to-positive article, definitely not a hatchet job.
 

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They also caption a photo with "four sets of locomotive-pulled carriages". That's technically true, if you count the existing MkIII sets in North Wales, but not particularly relevant to the Valley Lines of the article title...

It is, however, a broadly neutral-to-positive article, definitely not a hatchet job.

Should be five counting Gerald when he runs. Agreed, for once a Wales Online article that's not solely stirring the pot. They've even got a mock drawing of a 769 in TfW colours.
 

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They also caption a photo with "four sets of locomotive-pulled carriages". That's technically true, if you count the existing MkIII sets in North Wales, but not particularly relevant to the Valley Lines of the article title...

It is, however, a broadly neutral-to-positive article, definitely not a hatchet job.

It's more correct than is often the case - they're improving! :lol::lol: Sort of ;)
 

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There's a typo, it'll just be the two 37's with four coaches each. Not sure where they've got seven from
I think the 7 out of eight morning peak trains into Cardiff and 8 out in the evening peak refers to the fact that they intend to run 4-car sets at those times on all four core valley routes - to/from Rhymney, Merthyr, Aberdare and Treherbert. Only the Rhymney services will be covered by the two 4-car loco-hauled services, the remainder will be 2 x pacer, 2 x 150 or pacer +142. I agree the caption about 4 lots of loco hauled carriages is not applicable to the valley lines - there will only be 2 sets used there.
 

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Should be five counting Gerald when he runs
Two on Cardiff Rhymney, Gerald, and one set Manchester -North Wales, I make it four not five? (or is there one spare?)
BTW looking at TFWrail website today it seems either Gerald is not running the late afternoon "express" to Holyhead or he is down to 3 carriages - minus first class, no hot food. Alternative is that the service today is formed of a 3-car 175?
 

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Two on Cardiff Rhymney, Gerald, and one set Manchester -North Wales, I make it four not five? (or is there one spare?)
BTW looking at TFWrail website today it seems either Gerald is not running the late afternoon "express" to Holyhead or he is down to 3 carriages - minus first class, no hot food. Alternative is that the service today is formed of a 3-car 175?

It has been disrupted this week and stranded by flooding so booked working gone out through the window.
 

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Today I'll for the first time be riding on two types of new-to-me stock - Diesel locomotive-hauled (67 & Mk3) aaand... 142/143 Pacers! Of course, I'm most excited about the latter :D Should be seeing one of the 37 & Mk2 sets in person as well ;)
 
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I just seen 150285 doing the 09.28 from Milford haven to Manchester Piccadilly 1W11 at Llanelli on the 23.06.19
 

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I just seen 150285 doing the 09.28 from Milford haven to Manchester Piccadilly 1W11 at Llanelli on the 23.06.19
Just be grateful you're not having to ride on it all the way! ;)

For the record, there was also a 150 on yesterday's 1D38 - 1336 Manchester Airport-Llandudno.
I assume it stayed on the diagram all day. Sorry I didn't get the number as I only saw it from a distance.
 

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Just be grateful you're not having to ride on it all the way! ;)

For the record, there was also a 150 on yesterday's 1D38 - 1336 Manchester Airport-Llandudno.
I assume it stayed on the diagram all day. Sorry I didn't get the number as I only saw it from a distance.

150258, went back to Manchester then ended it's day in Chester.
 

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Just be grateful you're not having to ride on it all the way! ;)

For the record, there was also a 150 on yesterday's 1D38 - 1336 Manchester Airport-Llandudno.
I assume it stayed on the diagram all day. Sorry I didn't get the number as I only saw it from a distance.
Yes im glad i wasn't on it. Well at least man picc to Llandudno is shorter journey and 150285 is a upgraded 150
 

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I saw upgraded 150242 and a normal old 150267 doing the 09.33 from Newport to Milford haven at Llanelli next doing the 13.18 from Milford haven to Manchester Piccadilly on the 23.06.19
 

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Shocking using 150s on such long journeys.
Funny if Pacers ever turned up though!
I think TfW should be using the loco hauled sets on the Marches instead.
Put the 150s back on the Valleys.
An obvious shortage of the useless 175s
again it seems.
 

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Shocking using 150s on such long journeys.
Funny if Pacers ever turned up though!
I think TfW should be using the loco hauled sets on the Marches instead.
Put the 150s back on the Valleys.
An obvious shortage of the useless 175s
again it seems.
i think they should too use more loco hauled trains. 175s are knackered 150s work much harder good old 150s
 

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Shocking using 150s on such long journeys.
Not as shocking as it would be to cancel the service. And as has been pointed out, at least it's a refurbished set that's fully accessible and has WiFi and power sockets.
Funny if Pacers ever turned up though!

Not possible North of Craven Arms for traction clearance reasons, or North of Crewe for traction knowledge reasons. So never going to happen.

I think TfW should be using the loco hauled sets on the Marches instead.
Not possible West of Cardiff or North of Crewe for traction knowledge reasons, and lack of available stock. So never going to happen.
Put the 150s back on the Valleys.

They will be doing so, just as soon as replacement stock is available.

An obvious shortage of the useless 175s
again it seems.

175s are not useless. They are short of units across all fleets, mostly because of units getting PRM mods.. And in any case, 150s have been booked traction on this route on Sundays for years.
 

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Not as shocking as it would be to cancel the service. And as has been pointed out, at least it's a refurbished set that's fully accessible and has WiFi and power sockets.


Not possible North of Craven Arms for traction clearance reasons, or North of Crewe for traction knowledge reasons. So never going to happen.


Not possible West of Cardiff or North of Crewe for traction knowledge reasons, and lack of available stock. So never going to happen.


They will be doing so, just as soon as replacement stock is available.



175s are not useless. They are short of units across all fleets, mostly because of units getting PRM mods.. And in any case, 150s have been booked traction on this route on Sundays for years.
Yeah 150s has been doing some Manchester runs and 158s also 153s on Sundays on the weekend they like to check on 175s in things
 

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Yeah 150s has been doing some Manchester runs and 158s also 153s on Sundays on the weekend they like to check on 175s in things

The reason for the Sunday working is due to 175s being in the wrong place at the wrong time to fit in with the journey pattern.
 

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A good mate of mine at TfW Chester says
175s are indeed useless when compared to the 158s.
Couldn't even get rid of 175s if we tried he says.
Nobody would want them.
They are total rubbish.
So not just my opinion.
Loco hauled could run on the Marches through to Manchester but West Wales
bound service would be a challenge.
That's what happens when you inter-mingle 2 services into one to save money.
We never used to have Milford Haven to Manchester services back in the day.
Also,the non stop of operations of any unit working 20 odd hrs a day cannot be good.
As this seems to be the norm nowadays.
Run things into the ground comes to mind.
No wonder TfW are short of stock!
The PRM mods are a scandal.
If it was known years ago this work had to be done within the timeline set by those who made up this rule as law! Then why have mods started so late that it looks impossible to meet that deadline!
This is what happens when the railways are operated by office workers rather than actual railway men.
I bet most managers etc have never actually operated an actual train.
Probably don't even travel on them either!
It's the same on the buses.
Put someone in charge who hasn't got a clue! Who doesn't even know how to drive a bus!
 

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If it was known years ago this work had to be done within the timeline set by those who made up this rule as law! Then why have mods started so late that it looks impossible to meet that deadline!
Because the four bodies involved (DfT, Welsh Government, ROSCOs, and Arriva Trains Wales) were all insisting that the others should be paying for it.

ROSCOS came up with refurbishment plans some years back, and then asked ATW if they wanted to go ahead. ATW asked who'd be paying them to do it. WG asked Westminster to authorise payment, as they still held the purse strings on the ATW franchise. DfT in turn said it was the responsibility of the new franchise. Etc, etc, etc...
 
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