" this train contains doors."

JB_B · 17 Jun 2019

Today's 16.20 from Three Bridges to Brighton was advertised on the screens in the usual way with operator, calling points etc, but with the interesting additional information that

" this train contains doors."

Is that just a test message that's escaped into the wild?

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hexagon789 · 17 Jun 2019

JB_B said:
Today's 16.20 from Three Bridges to Brighton was advertised on the screens in the usual way with operator, calling points etc, but with the interesting additional information that

" this train contains doors."

Is that just a test message that's escaped into the wild?

Would be quite interesting if it didn't! How would one get one or off - through the windows or would there simply be open doorways? Not sure H&S would like that!

Seriously these messages are getting more and more ridiculous! :lol:

37254 · 17 Jun 2019

JB_B said:
Today's 16.20 from Three Bridges to Brighton was advertised on the screens in the usual way with operator, calling points etc, but with the interesting additional information that

" this train contains doors."

Is that just a test message that's escaped into the wild?

Wow! Very useful information. Thameslink must be feeling ill if they are actually giving you usefully information good on them.

E16 Cyclist · 17 Jun 2019

If it was me I’d be more inclined to put ‘this train has more than one door’

J-2739 · 17 Jun 2019

You learn something new every day.

37254 · 17 Jun 2019

HexDriver said:
If it was me I’d be more inclined to put ‘this train has more than one door’

Lets not go off topic to east midlands trains now shall we?

Jona26 · 17 Jun 2019

The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

leedstraindude · 17 Jun 2019

Saw this in Aberdeen a while back. Who knew trains had carriages.

Dr Hoo · 17 Jun 2019

Jona26 said:
The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

Ah yes! Takes me back to my days as an operations manager in Kent in BR days. To help pull back a slightly delayed train at a station in the Medway Towns I would often announce (for a 12-VEP slam-door consist). "This train has 100 doors, please spread out along the platform and use as many as possible between you." 200 or so obedient commuting souls could be on and away in 25 seconds.

JB_B · 17 Jun 2019

Jona26 said:
The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

Yes - I guess it would sort of make sense to put this on passenger information screens ( although 'contains' is an odd way of putting it.)

The monitors were showing this:-

( I couldn't get a clear picture of the dot-matrix PIS on the platform but it ended with the same message.)

37254 · 17 Jun 2019

Possibly a fault where the station staff or who ever do it didn't put in the amount and instead of coming out as this train has 40 doors it came out as this train has doors.

TractiveEffort · 17 Jun 2019

Maybe, The Doors stop you having to Break On Through (to the other side)....

IGMC

TFN · 17 Jun 2019

Jona26 said:
The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

We do it and it has little effect. It breaks my heart everytime I do that announcement at Gatwick.

37254 · 17 Jun 2019

TFN said:
We do it and it has little effect. It breaks my heart everytime I do that announcement at Gatwick.

Out of interest, what happens if you don't do it?

TFN · 17 Jun 2019

37254 said:
Out of interest, what happens if you don't do it?

Nothing. We just do it to try and spread the passengers away from the middle of the platform (escalator entrances). Usually Platforms 3/4 is the issue as on a weekday it has the 06,16,36,46 Thameslink to London, the 12,42 GatEx to London and the 27,33,57,03 Southern to London.

During delays it gets particularly busy in the middle and I've seen it so full that the escalator landing is occupied with people. When the train leaves, coaches 8-12 usually carries fresh air.

Also, GatEx trains now have loading indicators showing on the PIS screens on platforms and the main concourse.
More developments on that in the coming weeks I hear.

Dougal2345 · 17 Jun 2019

Jona26 said:
The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

I always think it will delay departures even more if I take that advice literally and make a point of using all available doors...

geoffk · 17 Jun 2019

Jona26 said:
The platform staff at Gatwick often announce "This train has 8/16/24 doors. Please move along the platform and use all available doors."

Good advice and I sometimes wish Northern and TPE would do it. I've noticed how often passengers queue to use one door rather than space themselves out along the platform. I wonder how much delay it causes.

gimmea50anyday · 17 Jun 2019

geoffk said:
Good advice and I sometimes wish Northern and TPE would do i.

I do at busy places and times such as Leeds but it always seems to fall on deaf ears...

Bletchleyite · 17 Jun 2019

gimmea50anyday said:
I do at busy places and times such as Leeds but it always seems to fall on deaf ears...

It loses credibility when you get the likes of LU announcing it then a shorter Circle Line train rolls in and you look a prat.

sheff1 · 17 Jun 2019

Bletchleyite said:
It loses credibility when you get the likes of LU announcing it then a shorter Circle Line train rolls in and you look a prat.

Indeed. At Sheffield two favourites are

TPE to Manchester Airport - "This train has 6 carriages. The front 3 carriages will detach at Manchester Piccadilly. Please make sure you travel in the correct part of the train". Train then rolls in with 3 carriages and any punter trusting enough to move down the platform on hearing the announcement sees the train sailing past them.

XC "This train has 8 (or 9) carriages". When the train arrives it does have that number but one set is locked out of use. Whether the locked set is the front or rear one varies. Rather than moving down the platform when the announcement is made, it is much better to wait in the centre and see what the situation is when the train arrives.

noddingdonkey · 18 Jun 2019

geoffk said:
Good advice and I sometimes wish Northern and TPE would do it. I've noticed how often passengers queue to use one door rather than space themselves out along the platform. I wonder how much delay it causes.

With TPE it would help considerably if they could announce which way round the set is (eg Coach C is at the front of this train").

People tend to congregate in the middle either because they have a reservation and don't know which end A or C will be until it turns up or because they are on a walk up ticket and need to avoid first class.

Bantamzen · 18 Jun 2019

noddingdonkey said:
With TPE it would help considerably if they could announce which way round the set is (eg Coach C is at the front of this train").

People tend to congregate in the middle either because they have a reservation and don't know which end A or C will be until it turns up or because they are on a walk up ticket and need to avoid first class.

This did happen briefly at some stations, Warrington Central for one (before the Scarborough moved over to Chat Moss), and I'm sure I've seen it at least once on P16 at Leeds. Nowadays I look for the presence of the yellow bar above the coupler....

talltim · 18 Jun 2019

JB_B said:
Today's 16.20 from Three Bridges to Brighton was advertised on the screens in the usual way with operator, calling points etc, but with the interesting additional information that

" this train contains doors."

Is that just a test message that's escaped into the wild?

It’s good they’ve started giving out allergy information

gimmea50anyday · 18 Jun 2019

noddingdonkey said:
With TPE it would help considerably if they could announce which way round the set is (eg Coach C is at the front of this train").

People tend to congregate in the middle either because they have a reservation and don't know which end A or C will be until it turns up or because they are on a walk up ticket and need to avoid first class.

In contrast at Durham.and Northallerton they congregate at the LNER A B C letter signs on the platform only to find TPE services stop in a completely different area of the platform!

Bletchleyite · 18 Jun 2019

Bantamzen said:
This did happen briefly at some stations, Warrington Central for one (before the Scarborough moved over to Chat Moss), and I'm sure I've seen it at least once on P16 at Leeds. Nowadays I look for the presence of the yellow bar above the coupler....

The excuse (and it is an excuse) is always used that they don't know which way round it is. Well, unless they're blind, the driver and the guard know which way round it is, and providing some means of getting that information on the PIS does not seem an excessively complex IT (or administrative) problem.

RLBH · 18 Jun 2019

Bletchleyite said:
The excuse (and it is an excuse) is always used that they don't know which way round it is. Well, unless they're blind, the driver and the guard know which way round it is, and providing some means of getting that information on the PIS does not seem an excessively complex IT (or administrative) problem.

This one always amazes me about the British rail network - many foreign railways will cheerfully tell you that your train will be in Platform 3, and has seven carriages; coaches A and B are First Class, C is the buffet, bikes and large luggage in G. In Britain, we like to keep all of that a mystery until the last possible moment, hiding behind the suggestion that the people who run the railway haven't got a clue what kind of train they're using, where it's going, or which way around it is.

DarloRich · 18 Jun 2019

JB_B said:
Today's 16.20 from Three Bridges to Brighton was advertised on the screens in the usual way with operator, calling points etc, but with the interesting additional information that

" this train contains doors."

Is that just a test message that's escaped into the wild?

This is clearly a mildly silly fault, a test or a keying mistake. Is it worth such comment?

peri · 18 Jun 2019

When a train pulls in I scan the carriages for space and that is where I'll board. That probably explains a scrum round one particular door.

krus_aragon · 18 Jun 2019

JB_B said:
" this train contains doors."

This reader contains his astonishment. Barely.

gimmea50anyday · 18 Jun 2019

What clearly doesnt help is the multitude of train types and the formations as a result. If only there was a more standardised way of doing things, like standardising train formations or by having certain carriage letters to always be the same type of carriage......

" this train contains doors."

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