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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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jingsmonty

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It’s often known as ‘marginal time’. Essentially it is the use of time in diagrams at the beginning and/or end of the day that would otherwise be unused to extend services beyond their normal point. The Chieftain is a classic case: when it was first introduced it used a set that would otherwise finish at Edinburgh at around 1630 to extend to Inverness. Likewise the southbound makes productive use of a set that would otherwise be sat at Craigentinny until 1100ish.

Explained far better than I tried to!
 
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There seems to be substantially more HST workings on the HML on a Saturday than through the week. Please don't ask me why!

Good old Saturday only workings
1209 from Glasgow to inverness becomes one and then 1554 to Edinburgh becomes one and that forms the 1938 which forms one to allow two hsts to be in inverness for the Sunday diagrams
 

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It’s often known as ‘marginal time’. Essentially it is the use of time in diagrams at the beginning and/or end of the day that would otherwise be unused to extend services beyond their normal point. The Chieftain is a classic case: when it was first introduced it used a set that would otherwise finish at Edinburgh at around 1630 to extend to Inverness. Likewise the southbound makes productive use of a set that would otherwise be sat at Craigentinny until 1100ish.
Thanks. To do with train diagrams rather than staff rosters, then.
 

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Keep an eye out for the 2nd mans side cab number on 43028, someone has a sense of humour.

Just need to figure how to upload a photo
 
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Indeed it has 43079 on the back of the 741 from queen Street to aberdeen which is now cancelled nightmare of a situation
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-48672955

Services at Queen Street Station in Glasgow have resumed following reports of a train fire.

Firefighters received calls about the blaze at about 07:40 after images of smoke billowing from a carriage emerged.

ScotRail said they were unable to operate trains to or from the station while the incident was ongoing.

The firm later said the fire alarm had been reset and, while trains were running, some disruption was expected.

Three fire trucks were sent to the scene while crowds gathered outside the station.

The train was moved to the Eastfield depot.
 

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Doesn't look any different from any other smoky old HST in Queen Street station. Only joking.

It really isn't a great reflection on this project.
 
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I seen this set coming into GLQ when I was onboard the 0715 to EDB. The power car arrived running so I presume it was shut down on arrival and when it was restarted for departure it went pop.
 

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Doesn't look any different from any other smoky old HST in Queen Street station. Only joking.

It really isn't a great reflection on this project.

It's an unrefurbished power car.

It doesn't really reflect anything about the project.
 

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It's an unrefurbished power car.

It doesn't really reflect anything about the project.
The refurbishment doesn’t include any attention to the engines. They are still on the standard MTU maintenance regime.

It certainly isn’t a reflection on the project: this isn’t the first MTU power car to do this. The usual cause is a stuck injector.
 

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The refurbishment doesn’t include any attention to the engines. They are still on the standard MTU maintenance regime.

It certainly isn’t a reflection on the project: this isn’t the first MTU power car to do this. The usual cause is a stuck injector.
Yeah refurbishment is a little over used in relation to these power cars,the mechanicals will be lucky if they've had a wipe over with a cloth.
 

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Yeah refurbishment is a little over used in relation to these power cars,the mechanicals will be lucky if they've had a wipe over with a cloth.

They've had a little more than that - there's been additional items added to the refurbishment, since the first power cars were done. Mainly, removing the ATP speedos, replacing the governors with solid state versions, upgrading the batteries. Basically, the items which have caused issues after a period of running in service
 

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They've had a little more than that - there's been additional items added to the refurbishment, since the first power cars were done. Mainly, removing the ATP speedos, replacing the governors with solid state versions, upgrading the batteries. Basically, the items which have caused issues after a period of running in service

I'm aware of all that,I was replying in regards of any mechanical work done or not done to them.
 

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The RMT have deemed it worthy of a snipe.

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-on-train-smoke-alert-at-glasgow-queen-street/

RMT General Secretary Mick Cash said:

“RMT would like to thank our colleagues from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service for their prompt response to the incident this morning.

“However, it raises serious questions about the current state of Scotland’s railways when we are being told that we have the “best railway Scotland has ever had”. That claim is clearly nonsense.

“This morning we had a vintage HST train pouring out thick black smoke forcing the closure of one of Scotland’s busiest train stations.

“We are supposed to be spending millions of pounds on investment in our railway - yet we end up using clapped out, decommissioned Inter-City trains that are 50 years old and that are in no way environmentally friendly or fit for purpose.

“Scotland’s railway are nothing more than a shambles under the current privatised and fragmented system. We need to properly invest in a railway that guarantees reliability and performance and which is safe and environmentally friendly and most important of all is controlled and run by the public sector in the public interest.

“It is time for Abellio Scotrail to go.”
 

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Unfortunately, Scotrail don't know this. According to a statement given to the BBC and appearing on the BBC News Scotland website "The faulty train was one of ScotRail's refurbished high-speed models, the operator confirmed."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-48672955

It doesn't say that at all
And I quote

The faulty train was one of ScotRail's un-refurbished high-speed models, also known as a classic, the operator confirmed.
 
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