That's a later edit. it was originally posted as per matchmaker above.
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After all, is it an emergency order of Class 802 5 cars × 26 SET?
I was expecting...
Eh? Class 802s would be completely inappropriate for the routes in question, and nobody's suggesting them.
I'm assuming that the RMT would, of course, be fully supportive of Scotrail had a 385 failed across the station throat just before rush hour instead. After all, that would be a modern, environmentally friendly train that was the result of proper investment, and therefore above reproach.
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I assume Mick Cash would be happy if the HSTs were replaced by high quality stock from Spain or Switzerland then?
What is the source of the trouble of class 385?
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You don't have to reply because it is likely to be off the topic of HST.
What gave you that impression?
Please condemn me elsewhere.
Can you go back to the main topic without sticking to it?
Thank you.
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Of course they did, and apparently the HSTs are 50 years old now, that's pushing it a bit. Next time something happens he'll be saying that they're out of the steam age.
I've just been listening to Scotrail's Engineering Director on Radio Scotland and she was almost inaudible due to what sound like a rough running HST in the background.
I've now decided that I want his job. Sit in an office much of the time scanning various sources to see if anything has gone wrong. When something does, break out the RMT hyperbole thesaurus and mangle together a quick press release. To top it all off you get paid more than the Prime Minister as well, what's not to like!
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(Photo shows the excessive exhaust from the power car)
Doesn't look any different to the 1980s when elderly 101s, with engines all to Falkirk, wheezed and spluttered their way out of Queen Street.
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That’s a reflection on the poor standards of sound engineering by the (almost certainly unassisted and lone) BBC reporter rather than any reflection on the maintenance standards of ScotRail or whoever. Some reporters don’t have much of a clue about recording in challenging locations.
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Can you imagine if the TOC responded with comments in a similar way....
"This operator is calling on the RMT and Mick Cash to stop their same tired old knee-jerk bland statements. Everyone just laughs at you and the 50-year-old clichéd union response.
It is time for Mick Cash to go."
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Seems to have gone right quiet down Killie-way.
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It's a very necessary organisation but they are quite bad at being anything but constructive. If it's not shiny and new...
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Necessary. Probably.
But not in its current form. Frankly they are an utter embarrassment. Maybe time for a Competition & Markets Authority investigation into their abuse of a monopoly.
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(Photo shows the excessive exhaust from the power car)
Doesn't look any different to the 1980s when elderly 101s, with engines all to Falkirk, wheezed and spluttered their way out of Queen Street.
A Valenta would put that to shame!
and that's an understatement!
It's a shame the project has been delayed but their criticism is totally ridiculous.
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The turbo on 43179 was replaced at Eastfield and is now running sweetly on 5G99 to Haymarket depot for some more checks. All fine, fixed move on.
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Not just ridiculous but factually wrong. Today's failure was nothing to do with 50 year old kit or unrefurbished trains, but an engine that has been fully maintained by the manufacturer since it was new 13 years ago or so.
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Any idea why they didn't use the emergency stops?
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I heard apparently they tried local stop and emergency stop but to no avail.The way we've been told to deal them in this sort of situation is to close the valve on the fuel pump on the underside.
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Two obvious questions:
Why was the engine not immediately shut down?
Why was it running on its trip back to Eastfield?
Why was the engine not immediately shut down?
Why was it running on its trip back to Eastfield?
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I'm assuming this was 1A51 that was meant to going up to Aberdeen at 0741? I know absolutely hee haw about that power cars, but anytime I've been getting on a HST and walked past the power car, they sound rough as anything.
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I don't think that's the issue Colin, I think it's the fact that HSTs don't normally do that, and therefore it's understandable to be concerned. Nobody's surprised when a 1970s lorry smokes like crazy, but you'd be a bit worried if a modern one did. The HSTs may be an old bodyshell, but it's a relatively new engine in there.
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1. Because the driver was at the other end unaware of the issue.
2. It didn't. It went on 1 power car.
The smoke set off the fire alarm and that means you have to evacuate. No exceptions.
The fire alarm at our office was accidentally set off by someone's rucksack smashing the glass. Everyone who saw it knew what happened, but we still had to get out and wait for the fire brigade.
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