Greater Anglia Rolling Stock Updates

samuelmorris · 21 Jun 2019

delticdave said:
How do you ticket that journey? Season ticket via Shenfield or an excess? Thunk, are Brentwood & Shenfield in the same TfL fare zone?

Pre-Oyster there was a separate fare for 'via Shenfield' as it was a common route. After Oyster was introduced, the stations remain in separate fare zones, but it was permitted to interchange at Shenfield, as stated as long as you don't leave the station. As far as ticket inspection goes - all the RPI will see is that the Oyster card was touched in correctly. If they wanted to create a separate fare for the doubling back I expect they'd have fitted validators (purple readers) to Shenfield station but they haven't.

It's probably in TfL's interest to encourage this as, at least until 9-car 12tph Crossrail services begin, there's a lot more spare capacity on the fast services to Southend than there is on the TfL services from Stratford.

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86246 · 21 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
There have been several issues of varying scale. I'm not personally hopeful for a July launch.

Disappointing for all concerned with the current fleet stretched beyond usual standards. I just hope that we are not going to see the 170s off to Wales during the current situation.

delticdave · 21 Jun 2019

adrock1976 said:
I believe there is a doubleback easement between Brentwood and Shenfield, with the proviso that Shenfield is for interchange purposes only and that you may not leave the station.

That sounds to be too sensible to be true!

delticdave · 21 Jun 2019

samuelmorris said:
Pre-Oyster there was a separate fare for 'via Shenfield' as it was a common route. After Oyster was introduced, the stations remain in separate fare zones, but it was permitted to interchange at Shenfield, as stated as long as you don't leave the station. As far as ticket inspection goes - all the RPI will see is that the Oyster card was touched in correctly. If they wanted to create a separate fare for the doubling back I expect they'd have fitted validators (purple readers) to Shenfield station but they haven't.

It's probably in TfL's interest to encourage this as, at least until 9-car 12tph Crossrail services begin, there's a lot more spare capacity on the fast services to Southend than there is on the TfL services from Stratford.

Thanks, I wonder if there many other "doubling-back" routings.
Back in the mid-80's I used to commute from Harold Wood to Stratford & via Shenfield might have been quicker, except that back then the rush-hour all-stations Southend trains were fast (via the mains) from Harold Wood Stratford. Overcrowded but quick, circa 15 mins non-stop, including switching to/from mains & electrics at Gidea Park & Maryland.

samuelmorris · 21 Jun 2019

delticdave said:
That sounds to be too sensible to be true!

It was a positive boon for us as even with Brentwood being in zone 9 (I was hoping for 7/8) the cost of tickets came down considerably, even moreso for going via Shenfield due to the lack of additional cost. That plus the convenience of not queuing up to buy a ticket, Oyster coming to town was one of the best things to happen to the line.

samuelmorris · 21 Jun 2019

delticdave said:
Thanks, I wonder if there many other "doubling-back" routings.
Back in the mid-80's I used to commute from Harold Wood to Stratford & via Shenfield might have been quicker, except that back then the rush-hour all-stations Southend trains were fast (via the mains) from Harold Wood Stratford. Overcrowded but quick, circa 15 mins non-stop, including switching to/from mains & electrics at Gidea Park & Maryland.

Generally from Harold Wood I'd say no - that's a fairly lengthy stop that would add about 6 minutes to the journey to double back on. For me, going via Shenfield depends on how the timings line up between when the Anglia service arrives and when the TfL service leaves - if I just miss a TfL service, the 10 minute wait negates all the time saved. Once Crossrail eventually arrives, it going from 6tph to 10 or 12 will lessen that effect, but of course the offering of direct services further into the city will reduce the number of occasions going via the mainline from Liverpool Street is worth doing.

As far as other occasions when doubling back happens, I'm not sure. Certainly it was common when I used c2c from Upminster to see people doubling back on the District line to Upminster Bridge or Hornchurch, but I can't really think of any other examples off the top of my head.

nesw · 21 Jun 2019

86246 said:
Disappointing for all concerned with the current fleet stretched beyond usual standards. I just hope that we are not going to see the 170s off to Wales during the current situation.

I believe that the 170s are expected to transfer to Wales in the autumn, October possibly?

Alfie1014 · 21 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
One of those days then

Plus 170203 that was due to move back from Clacton to Crown Point last evening didn’t happen, though there is a path for it to run tonight.

chubs · 21 Jun 2019

More cancellations because a guard was assaulted according to the local rag, hope they're OK

Making my trip tomorrow and keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

dk1 · 21 Jun 2019

chubs said:
More cancellations because a guard was assaulted according to the local rag, hope they're OK

Making my trip tomorrow and keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

Thankfully only verbal but that's bad enough. My money is still on a 156 for you & another on the following Eat Mids vice a 158.

LAX54 · 22 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
There have been several issues of varying scale. I'm not personally hopeful for a July launch.

We are hearing rumours of issues with the possible low voltage Moulton to Stowmarket ?

86246 · 22 Jun 2019

A rail service has been restored to Felixstowe this morning. However as per summer Saturdays of previous years a number of Great Yarmouth services have been cancelled.

The Sudbury unit had to return to Colchester to receive some attention but is returning to service.

LAX54 · 22 Jun 2019

86246 said:
A rail service has been restored to Felixstowe this morning. However as per summer Saturdays of previous years a number of Great Yarmouth services have been cancelled.

The Sudbury unit had to return to Colchester to receive some attention but is returning to service.

No fault found we were told, although BBC Essex are saying trains on the Sudbury delayed/cancelled due to track fault !

dk1 · 22 Jun 2019

swills said:
We are hearing rumours of issues with the possible low voltage Moulton to Stowmarket ?

Oh I've not heard that. I did hear that from a standing stop after crossing over at Diss 100mph was achieved before Audley End. That's pretty impressive in anyones book.

LAX54 · 22 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
Oh I've not heard that. I did hear that from a standing stop after crossing over at Diss 100mph was achieved before Audley End. That's pretty impressive in anyones book.

Have to say that does sound exceptional, Audley End, just about a mile from the crossover

( with the 755's, and with all the cancellations currently, maybe they should bring the 8th July date forward !

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F Great Eastern · 22 Jun 2019

86246 said:
A rail service has been restored to Felixstowe this morning. However as per summer Saturdays of previous years a number of Great Yarmouth services have been cancelled.

The Sudbury unit had to return to Colchester to receive some attention but is returning to service.

Are they really saying the Sudbury line was struggling yesterday because a track fault when I was told by staff that it was due to a train fault? It was yesterday replaced by a 153 from what I heard.

So it seems they've rescued the 'broken down train' between Felixstowe and Ipswich, that's been there for a few days now? Poor Greater Anglia, having enough trains but being stuck by trains blocking lines and track faults which are completely out of their hands, you'd almost feel sorry for them from everything they say.

Then there's the freight train breaking down in the morning two days ago that meant a diagram had to be cancelled for the whole day which was not an over-reaction or trying to throw things in other basket at all.

So I log on today to the Greater Anglia website and see a good service is running on all lines, I'm so happy that they have not been effected by the problems with track faults, trains getting stuck and freight trains breaking down today and that those naysayers saying there is a lack of rolling stock have been shown up for making the clams that are totally inaccurate. :rolleyes:

F Great Eastern · 22 Jun 2019

F Great Eastern said:
So I log on today to the Greater Anglia website and see a good service is running on all lines, I'm so happy that they have not been effected by the problems with track faults, trains getting stuck and freight trains breaking down today and that those naysayers saying there is a lack of rolling stock have been shown up for making the clams that are totally inaccurate.

Then I look at JourneyCheck and see all the following are cancelled:

08:47 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 09:17
09:09 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 09:41
09:17 Ipswich to Lowestoft due 10:43
09:46 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 10:16
10:36 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 11:11
10:57 Lowestoft to Norwich due 11:33
11:17 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 11:52
11:36 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 12:10
12:17 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 12:50
12:36 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 13:11
12:40 Norwich to Cambridge due 13:59
13:17 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 13:51
14:09 Cambridge to Norwich due 15:30
14:58 Norwich to Lowestoft due 15:37
15:48 Lowestoft to Norwich due 16:33
16:40 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 17:13
17:17 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 17:50
18:06 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 18:42
18:47 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 19:23
20:40 Norwich to Great Yarmouth due 21:13
21:17 Great Yarmouth to Norwich due 21:50
22:05 Norwich to Lowestoft due 22:50

I'm starting to think the spin is becoming pathological now and is completely unacceptable. Customers are being given a raw deal and are not been given open and transparent train service information.

It's no wonder the railway has a reputation for giving excuses to passengers rather than telling them the truth at times of disruption when wool is being pulled over peoples eyes like this. the DFT have to act against this kind of thing.

LAX54 · 22 Jun 2019

F Great Eastern said:
Are they really saying the Sudbury line was struggling yesterday because a track fault when I was told by staff that it was due to a train fault needing to be replaced by a 153?

When are they going to retrieve the 'broken down train' between Felixstowe and Ipswich, it's been there for a few days now? Poor Greater Anglia, having enough trains but being stuck by trains blocking lines and track faults which are completely out of their hands.

Then there's the freight train breaking down in the morning two days ago that meant a diagram had to be cancelled for the whole day which was not an over-reaction or trying to throw things in other basket at all.

So I log on today to the Greater Anglia website and see a good service is running on all lines, I'm so happy that they have not been effected by the problems with track faults, trains getting stuck and freight trains breaking down today and that those naysayers saying there is a lack of rolling stock have been shown up for making the clams that are totally inaccurate.

Mind you, the Felixstowe is running today, but there are quite a few Yarmouth's cancelled ! share it about a bit

still trying to work out the broken down train between Ips and Fxst but did not affect any freight

dk1 · 22 Jun 2019

swills said:
Mind you, the Felixstowe is running today, but there are quite a few Yarmouth's cancelled ! share it about a bit still trying to work out the broken down train between Ips and Fxst but did not affect any freight

08:22 ex-Sheringham has hit a large deer but thankfully no damage reported.

F Great Eastern · 22 Jun 2019

swills said:
Mind you, the Felixstowe is running today, but there are quite a few Yarmouth's cancelled ! share it about a bit still trying to work out the broken down train between Ips and Fxst but did not affect any freight

Notice that the GA twitter account is very quiet this morning as well, they've stopped tweeting cancellations as well as the misleading 'good service' statement on their homepage despite large numbers of cancellations and the farce of the excuses over the past few days.

It's one thing that they are short on trains, the lack of transparency and the fact they try to hide it and do their best to deflect the blame shows that they couldn't care less about customers and it's company before customers all day long.

I fear worse is yet to come with things heating up next week. Abellio are falling fast in my opinion, this new version on them since the new franchise award is a pale imitation of what went before in their previous award.

Alfie1014 · 22 Jun 2019

swills said:
We are hearing rumours of issues with the possible low voltage Moulton to Stowmarket ?

Is that the same neck of the woods where 360s are restricted?

Alfie1014 · 22 Jun 2019

F Great Eastern said:
Notice that the GA twitter account is very quiet this morning as well, they've stopped tweeting cancellations as well as the misleading 'good service' statement on their homepage despite large numbers of cancellations and the farce of the excuses over the past few days.

I’ve never understood why they don’t have a tab for Rural Services on the front page of their website in the same way they have for service status on their London routes?

dk1 · 22 Jun 2019

Alfie1014 said:
Is that the same neck of the woods where 360s are restricted?

Wasn't that only when there where issues with Stowmarket Feeder Station? That problem was resolved last year.

samuelmorris · 22 Jun 2019

F Great Eastern said:
Notice that the GA twitter account is very quiet this morning as well, they've stopped tweeting cancellations as well as the misleading 'good service' statement on their homepage despite large numbers of cancellations and the farce of the excuses over the past few days.

It's one thing that they are short on trains, the lack of transparency and the fact they try to hide it and do their best to deflect the blame shows that they couldn't care less about customers and it's company before customers all day long.

I fear worse is yet to come with things heating up next week. Abellio are falling fast in my opinion, this new version on them since the new franchise award is a pale imitation of what went before in their previous award.

Not tweeting cancellations might just be missing staff on the twitter desk for all we know. I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion they're being deliberately concealed. The rural services are certainly suffering at present though, especially for Summer.

F Great Eastern · 22 Jun 2019

samuelmorris said:
Not tweeting cancellations might just be missing staff on the twitter desk for all we know. I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion they're being deliberately concealed. The rural services are certainly suffering at present though, especially for Summer.

Doesn't Tyrrell have the facility to send tweets out with the information as it goes onto JourneyCheck and other systems? I didn't think tweeting that information was a manual process?

700007 · 22 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
08:22 ex-Sheringham has hit a large deer but thankfully no damage reported.

Is this a new past time for your regional fleet to go around fighting different things around Norfolk? :lol:

dk1 · 22 Jun 2019

700007 said:
Is this a new past time for your regional fleet to go around fighting different things around Norfolk?

Wherever there is wildlife or cattle we will find & exterminate it :lol:

LAX54 · 22 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
Wasn't that only when there where issues with Stowmarket Feeder Station? That problem was resolved last year.

That is only what we have 'heard' about the 745's and low power OHL in that area.

The 360's are not exactly restricted to Norwich, at least we have nothing in written form here, but they seem not to like sending them that way !

Wivenswold · 22 Jun 2019

From a fast fading memory, I seem to recall that the 360s are restricted to 8 cars between Stowmarket and Norwich.

dk1 · 22 Jun 2019

swills said:
That is only what we have 'heard' about the 745's and low power OHL in that area.

The 360's are not exactly restricted to Norwich, at least we have nothing in written form here, but they seem not to like sending them that way !

Nobody signs the darn things up here & Colchester drivers who would don't sign beyond Haughley.

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