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Places served by two or more routes with the same number

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A reply on the Route Numbers thread got me thinking, what places are served by two different routes with the same number? For clarification, I mean separate routes to different places, rather than two operators competing over the same corridor.
 
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Whilst they don't necessarily serve the same area, I really don't like the re-numbering system that NXWM went through. They now have three lots of 2-7s!
 

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how about 1 Chester to Blacon, 1 Chester to Wrexham, 1 Chester to Liverpool!
That's just plain silly. There can't be a shortage of available numbers in Chester!

Actually the route number is part of the bus service registration so writing to the Traffic Commissioner might be worthwhile. They are over-stretched but might want to suggest to DfT amending the regulations to prohibit more than one route with the same number in the same area.
 
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Newcastle City Centre has a few mainly due to Go North East changing its numbering from three digits to one or two a few years back....

1 Slatyford/Cobalt + 1 Whitley Bay/MetroCentre.

10 Newcastle/Hexham + 10 Kenton/West Denton.

12 Wallsend/Two Ball Lonnen + 12 Newcastle/Winlaton.

Used to be some more such as two x 22, 2 x 31 and 32 services and two X12 services (operated by Arriva to different places, although one was a peak time special)
 

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There's no shortage of 2-number examples. I can think of a few!

Wondering if there's any other places that have 3 separate places with the same route number. Chester's example is just silly... o_O
 
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Didn't Bristol have two 1s for a while? Cribbs Causeway to Broomhill and Bristol to Weston Super Mare?

Seem to remember the reason being given when the Weston service got remembered not long afterwards were that people were confusing it with the Broomhill service.
 

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If you ignore prefixes there's the 1, X1, T1 and Y1,in Bristol. That's four!

1 Cribbs Causeway - Bristol Centre - Broomhill
X1 Bristol - Weston
T1 Bristol - Thornbury
Y1 Bristol - Yate
 

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how about 1 Chester to Blacon, 1 Chester to Wrexham, 1 Chester to Liverpool!

14 Liverpool - Croxteth (Stagecoach & Arriva) 14 Liverpool - Widnes (Halton Transport)
61 Aigburth - Bootle* (Arriva) 61 LiverpooI - Halton Hospital (Halton Transport)
* Outer suburban service
 
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A reply on the Route Numbers thread got me thinking, what places are served by two different routes with the same number? For clarification, I mean separate routes to different places, rather than two operators competing over the same corridor.
There was a thread about this a year ago: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/cities-with-duplicated-bus-numbers.163309/

Newcastle City Centre has a few mainly due to Go North East changing its numbering from three digits to one or two a few years back....
There still are lots more: three lots route 6 (only two in the City Centre), three versions of the X21, and duplicate 45, 46, 54, X9, X10, X30, X85 (serving the same bus stop).
 

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Leeds has Transdev 7 (Leeds - Harrogate) & First 7 (Leeds - Primley Park) plus used to have 2 Stagecoach X62s (Leeds - Huddersfield Now Withdrawn & Leeds - Hull)

Newcastle City Centre has a few mainly due to Go North East changing its numbering from three digits to one or two a few years back....

1 Slatyford/Cobalt + 1 Whitley Bay/MetroCentre.

10 Newcastle/Hexham + 10 Kenton/West Denton.

12 Wallsend/Two Ball Lonnen + 12 Newcastle/Winlaton.

Used to be some more such as two x 22, 2 x 31 and 32 services and two X12 services (operated by Arriva to different places, although one was a peak time special)

& going by VOSA,Newcastle will have 2 route X47s from Eldon Sq soon,the current one to Kingston Park & the current GNE service 47 renumbered

Sunderland also has 2 route 20s (Durham - Sunderland - South Shields & Sunderland - Pennywell), 2 route 23s (Sunderland - Hartlepool & Thorney Close - Sunderland - Dene Estate) plus 2 route 8s (Sunderland - Stanley & Sunderland - South Hylton)

Could Tyne & Wear be the winner with the most route number duplications?
 

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I've mentioned Newport Transport and Stagecoach Cymru both having a 15 in Newport before. Stagecoach also have an X15 on a completely different route from the city.
 

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If you go to Littlehampton in West Sussex, you can take a Coastliner 700 to Brighton, running every 10 minutes (or visit the the suburb of Wick in the other direction). If you prefer, you could take a 700 to Chichester every 20 minutes. This, too, is branded Coastliner and is also operated by Stagecoach. The two routes are completely operationally independent. When the long route from Portsmouth to Brighton was split, all 3 sections retained both the branding and the route number.

Street View shows the situation at the Anchor Springs stops with 3 700s in a row (2 on Brighton / Wick, 1 awaiting departure to Chichester).
 

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how about 1 Chester to Blacon, 1 Chester to Wrexham, 1 Chester to Liverpool!

Wrexham has 2 routes with number 5: the various routes to Llangollen (with the X5 to Corwen), and Stagecoach route 5 to Chester via Holt (previously C56, originally run by Crosville).

There now appear to be quite a large number of duplicated route numbers within Greater Manchester, in contrast to the structured numbering introduced by SELNEC when the operators were amalgamated. However, the only current example of duplicated numbers serving the same destination in Greater M/c on the TfGM website appears to be 2 bus routes numbered 34 serving Leigh.

Derby has 2 routes numbered 7 and 2 routes numbered 9. There is also likely to be confusion between route 6 and Trent's Sixes, and the 2 routes numbered 9 and Trent's Nines. Similarly in Nottingham, there are 2 routes numbered 9, and there may be confusion between NCT's route 3 and Trent's Threes. Leicester has duplicate 14 and 26 routes.
 
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Glasgow has several examples of this:
  • 3: Drumchapel Station - Govan Bus Station (First Glasgow) & Glasgow Renfrew St - Neilston (McGills)
  • 4/4A: Broomhill - Muirend/Newton Mearns/Eaglesham (First Glasgow) & Buchanan Bus Station - Ayr (Stagecoach Western)
  • 17: Glasgow Renfrew St - Paisley (McGill's) & Central Station - Duntocher (West Coast Motors)
  • 38/A: Eastwood Toll - Garthamlock/Easterhouse (First Glasgow) & Glasgow Renfrew St - Spateston/Kilbarchan (McGill's)
 

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Through Trent Bridge in Nottingham the Kinch 9 and NCT 9 run the same route
 

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Leeds has Transdev 7 (Leeds - Harrogate) & First 7 (Leeds - Primley Park) plus used to have 2 Stagecoach X62s (Leeds - Huddersfield Now Withdrawn & Leeds - Hull)

And just to confuse, there is one location where the 2 route 7s* go from adjacent stops (in a line of 4 stops).

*I've used 7s as a plural of 7 - there is a route 7S as well!
 

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Hartley Wintney and Fleet in Hampshire now have two route 7s. Reading Buses operates Reading - Fleet Station and Stagecoach South operates Hartley Wintney (Phoenix Green) - Aldershot. Stagecoach serves the Elvetham Heath and Calthorpe Park Estates in Fleet whereas Reading Buses sticks to the main roads.

Prior to April 2018 Stagecoach South operated route 7 (previously route 72) through from Aldershot to Reading, but Reading Buses operated an evening and Sunday service over the Reading-Riseley section of the route under contract to Wokingham Borough Council (these journeys still operate).
 

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In Aberdeen there are two N17s.
  • First Aberdeen's N17 (City - Dyce)
  • Stagecoach NScotland's N17 (City - Westhill)
It doesn't help that in the city centre they use the same stops! It's caused confusion many times.
 

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And just to confuse, there is one location where the 2 route 7s* go from adjacent stops (in a line of 4 stops).

*I've used 7s as a plural of 7 - there is a route 7S as well!

where do they use the same road? Regent Street?

History of the 7's

Used to be (About 1963 I think - I was little then!)
34 (Alwoodley via Harrogate Road)
35 (Alwoodley via King Lane)
37 (Shadwell)
69 (Moortown - cramner bank)
70 (primley park)

All went from Central Bus Station

The 34's and 35's changed numbers in Alwoodley then went back to Leeds by the other route.
Some 35's were short route in the rush hour to King Lane Circus. But still displayed 35.
Then they diverted the 70 through Carr Manor Estate.
They canned the 69, extending the 8 from Meanwood up Tongue Lane and into the estate. Eventually became 51/52/53/54 - from Morley

new 43 went to Alwoodley gates, then Wigton Lane to Shadwell

Then the 70 became the 71. dunno why.

There was also a 32 Pudsey -Moortown. Came from City Sq, up Scott hall Road, then Potternewton lane, then Stonegate road. Used to stop where Stonegate road met king lane, then they extended it along to Harrogate Road (By the fire station)
The 32 has gone. The 52 has been diverted up Stonegate Road.
the 34 has gone
The 35 is the 7a, and is out and back
37 is the 7s
43 became the 48 and now goes up Chapletown road and doesnt go all the way to Shadwell
the 7 took over the Potternewton Lane gig from the 32.

leeds City Transport buses used to have a 'limited' indicator, displaying at the front and on the back platform. The timetable said. 'passengers wishing to alight before {bus stop} will not be carried.'

You can see the limited indicator in this pic. Its the rectangular white panel beneath the 5 of the 65. There was a light switch in the cab that lit it up.
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LCL also did 'fastaway' buses. These were fast buses in the rush hour, and were numbered in the 200 series, so the 224 went to Swarcliffe. There was an 235 to Alwoodley, that became todays X7.

Guess where I grew up!!

On the subject of the 2's along Chapletown Road/Harrogate Road and suffixes and routes with same number.
in the 1960s', There were 2 routes. The 2 ran past Moortown road to turn round at Shadwell Lane. The 2 Circular (Blind had big 2 and 'circ' in small writing underneath. turned at Moortown into Street Lane and changed to another number (3 circ) to go back to town via Harehills)
Then the circulars became 20/21
 

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where do they use the same road? Regent Street?
New Briggate.

History of the 7's

Used to be (About 1963 I think - I was little then!)
34 (Alwoodley via Harrogate Road)
35 (Alwoodley via King Lane)
37 (Shadwell)
69 (Moortown - cramner bank)
70 (primley park)

All went from Central Bus Station

The 34's and 35's changed numbers in Alwoodley then went back to Leeds by the other route.
Some 35's were short route in the rush hour to King Lane Circus. But still displayed 35.
Then they diverted the 70 through Carr Manor Estate.
They canned the 69, extending the 8 from Meanwood up Tongue Lane and into the estate. Eventually became 51/52/53/54 - from Morley

new 43 went to Alwoodley gates, then Wigton Lane to Shadwell

Then the 70 became the 71. dunno why.

There was also a 32 Pudsey -Moortown. Came from City Sq, up Scott hall Road, then Potternewton lane, then Stonegate road. Used to stop where Stonegate road met king lane, then they extended it along to Harrogate Road (By the fire station)
The 32 has gone. The 52 has been diverted up Stonegate Road.
the 34 has gone
The 35 is the 7a, and is out and back
37 is the 7s
43 became the 48 and now goes up Chapletown road and doesnt go all the way to Shadwell
the 7 took over the Potternewton Lane gig from the 32.

leeds City Transport buses used to have a 'limited' indicator, displaying at the front and on the back platform. The timetable said. 'passengers wishing to alight before {bus stop} will not be carried.'

You can see the limited indicator in this pic. Its the rectangular white panel beneath the 5 of the 65. There was a light switch in the cab that lit it up.
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LCL also did 'fastaway' buses. These were fast buses in the rush hour, and were numbered in the 200 series, so the 224 went to Swarcliffe. There was an 235 to Alwoodley, that became todays X7.

Guess where I grew up!!

On the subject of the 2's along Chapletown Road/Harrogate Road and suffixes and routes with same number.
in the 1960s', There were 2 routes. The 2 ran past Moortown road to turn round at Shadwell Lane. The 2 Circular (Blind had big 2 and 'circ' in small writing underneath. turned at Moortown into Street Lane and changed to another number (3 circ) to go back to town via Harehills)
Then the circulars became 20/21

I've quite a few timetable for the 34 somewhere including the 34M. The 781 to Otley is just an occasional extension of the 34 and has been numbered 34 in the past.
 

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I've quite a few timetable for the 34 somewhere including the 34M. The 781 to Otley is just an occasional extension of the 34 and has been numbered 34 in the past.


Didnt realise the wetherby 7 went round there - thanks

The 781 currently has a curious route. Meanwood road and stonegate road to moortown corner, then back to King Lane and then across Alwoodley Lane. Then up through harewood then across through Pool to Otley.
takes over an hour!

has it always gone that way?
 

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Going back to the 90s in Glasgow you had

Strathclyde's Buses 23 and Clydeside 23 in the Govan area which continued for a few years under First and Arriva
Strathclyde's Buses 39 and KCB Network/Midland Bluebird 39 on the Alexandra Parade and Cumbernauld Road corridor
 

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how about 1 Chester to Blacon, 1 Chester to Wrexham, 1 Chester to Liverpool!
I think this was a legacy of Crosville's system with the C1 to Birkenhead and D1 to Wrexham. The Blacon route would have been a corporation bus route.
 
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