Bletchleyite
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It was a Rugeley dropping off 4 at New St.
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LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)
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It was a Rugeley dropping off 4 at New St.
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Bletchleyite
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To be fair to LNR they have done one thing right - coughed up to get the 350/2s out on Saturdays and Sundays and near enough removed the 4-car running. I think there is one 4-car diagram on a Saturday (easily avoided) and none on Sundays.
You did get meltdowns before but with shorter runs it was easier to get them fixed, and it was possible to run with a policy of "run everything even if it's late", with actual cancellations quite rare.
The main issue seems to be crews rather than units - it appears there are tight swapovers at New St and Northampton, and when these miss you end up with a cancellation.
Bletchleyite
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Well, it's Sunday, and services are split at New St. And the cancellations are still out in force.
Has there been a breakdown of industrial relations and so an unwillingness to do overtime and rest days?
(I noted a Class 319 12-car set out today - cheaper than 350/2s?)
Has there been a breakdown of industrial relations and so an unwillingness to do overtime and rest days?
(I noted a Class 319 12-car set out today - cheaper than 350/2s?)
sufian123
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Northampton is closed for engineering works. Perhaps using 319s to free up 350s, long distance rosy?
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I meant today
RealTrains07
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No crewe - london services today. At least thats one less splitter?
Actually do services split on sundays cause i thought LNR were waiting till december to implement that?
BluePenguin
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I checked the timetable today to find that as as a result of Northampton being closed, journey times between Birmingham to London are the quickest I have ever seen them. A quick look revealed an average southbound journey time of 1 hour 50 minutes. One service is 1 hour 47 minutes! This time is about the same as what Chiltern offers. Heading north there seems to be no time saving than usual with the quickest I found being 2 hours.
It just shows how much extra time the stop at Northampton adds.
Are services still “waiting” anywhere as they usually do at Northampton or not?
It just shows how much extra time the stop at Northampton adds.
Are services still “waiting” anywhere as they usually do at Northampton or not?
Bletchleyite
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By "the services being split at New St" I meant "there is a Euston to New St and New St to wherever service operating separately". This is basically the old pattern - but the service is still in a mess, which suggests something else is wrong too.
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On an different note. I have had some thoughts about services that could be changed on the timetable
Polesworth - i knows its been covered before but instead of a bridge. Is it possible to build an underpass/subway to access platform 2 in order to restore a southbound service of some sort (1 a day?)
MKC to ECR - is it a possibility for LNR to take over the service or is their not enough trains currently to sustain it
Polesworth - i knows its been covered before but instead of a bridge. Is it possible to build an underpass/subway to access platform 2 in order to restore a southbound service of some sort (1 a day?)
MKC to ECR - is it a possibility for LNR to take over the service or is their not enough trains currently to sustain it
Kite159
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If you were going to spend money on putting access to the southbound platform at Polesworth you would hope it will be for more than one a day, maybe hourly. It might generate new passengers from the large village.
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Will be do with passenger flows at New Street for people who have no need to be there. Despite the refurbishment the station below is still a dump.
Bletchleyite
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The easiest way would be to build a path from the platform to the road (purchasing a small section of the farmland to do so), and to move the marked pedestrian path (there's no pavement, but there is a marked bit for pedestrians) to the station side so it can be used safely. It should then get an hourly service. There is really no reason to serve it only with 1tpd.
What would be the positive effect of this? (There are indeed not enough 350/1s which are the only ones with shoegear).
The thing with modern planning permission is that it may be if new access was build to the station that modern requirements might say you'd need adequate facilities for drop off, pedestrian access from town and accessibility from town. I don't think it's like historical stations which already have it, when you're building new, it's modern standards.
sufian123
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some of these have waiting times at Rugby or Milton Keynes. Your right about it’s still fast via weedon.
The Planner
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Im not sure what people really expected from it though, its effectively underground, so what do you do with it?
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How many people would use this "station"?
Its currently an un-staffed platform which has one train a day in one direction. Haven't been on the train since the timetable change (which now runs half an hour earlier) but in the old timetable the service used to pick up between TWO and FOUR passengers a day.
How would anyone build a business case for spending many thousands of pounds on a bridge and redesigned access to the station?
Bletchleyite
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I really don't see a problem with it other than that DMUs need banning.
Bletchleyite
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Quite a lot more if it had all Trent Valley local services calling, I'd imagine.
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Well considering that the reason why 3 or 4 people get on is cause its 1 a day and mabye its just that hour you get so few people. The amount of people that show up may vary per hour, nobody knows how much. Look at stone. Not many in the first train of the day to crewe but loads on the next one the following hour.
I cant see why more trains northbound cant serve polesworth at the moment except the inconvenience of not being able to get back
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Wouldnt it be slightly more convenient if LNR had control over all the MKC services. They have run 350/1s on that route before so in the future when their is more stock and they have control they can make changes that southern wont ever do
Virgin do operate to MKC as well
In any case LNR need to sort out what they've already got before taking on anything else.
Bletchleyite
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Thinking about it are LNR anywhere near 'Enhanced Industry Compensation' we saw on GTR and Northern last year.
I'd keep every single ticket for LNR journeys at the moment just in case a scheme gets launched. Thankfully I did this last year and got a tidy sum back from GTR in addition to the normal delay repay payment.
I'd keep every single ticket for LNR journeys at the moment just in case a scheme gets launched. Thankfully I did this last year and got a tidy sum back from GTR in addition to the normal delay repay payment.
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Virgin do operate to MKC as well
In any case LNR need to sort out what they've already got before taking on anything else.
By MKC services i mean all the terminating services but fair point
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Just look at what's happened down the road at Atherstone since getting an hourly service, usage has rocketed. Now Polesworth isn't so conveniently located to it's main population area but there is little doubt that given a proper service a lot of people would use the service. It just needs a way of getting to the second platform.
DarloRich
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No. Not even close. There are lots of relatively small delays but not, imo, systematic failings like the two you mention.
that point is missed by most here. Upstairs is very good and the platforms are less dank than before. it is MILES better than it was. I suspect the issue for most posters here is that how they use a station is different to how moist use a station like New Street. Normals spend as little time as possible on the platforms.
this comes up all the time here. There is no answer to the question: Why?
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I saw, from a distance, a couple of 319s passing each other so more than one out yesterday. Anyone know how far north they got? I was under the impression all the diagrams were interworked these days.
Bletchleyite
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Interestingly I went for a run in the early evening (about 7pm) and by random coincidence was crossing that nasty, unsafe-feeling bridge (if you know the area you'll know which one I mean) between the old Watling St and Melrose just as said 319 set was going home to bed. So I've seen it got out and put away!
If you look at the "south of Northampton" timetable:
https://www.londonnorthwesternrailw...2eipSAkmKNOuWmquLiC58xmt5FbXeou4/ln04_web.pdf
there is only one diagrammed 12-car, the 1036 off Northampton. This however is a 350 according to RTT (and the RTT diagrams are usually correct for LNR because a 319 set would lose time on a 350 diagram).
It appears it worked the diagram starting with this one:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P41479/2019/06/23/advanced
...and did indeed lose time as a result! It then failed at Bletchley on the way back and didn't proceed to MKC, but restarted there. Went back to Euston and failed to make it to MKC in service this time due to crew. I can't see when it then went back out to bring it back to going southbound at Bletchley at around 1930.
Edit: having traced it back (it did Euston and back again once more) the timings of the ECS don't match when I was there, so there must have been two 12-car 319 sets out.
Shortage of 350s?
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3 sets of 319s out yesterday due to engineering work.
Bletchleyite
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Ah, that'd explain it then, I saw two different ones. Was this because getting 350s out of NMP was awkward and those sets are Bletchley based?
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