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Bald Rick

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306024 said:
Yes planning a timetable in both directions does make it more of a challenge ;)

The timetable may have been born in Colchester but it was conceived over a coffee in Canary Wharf. It had previously been stated there was little demand from the Lea Valley to Canary Wharf, but others thought differently. So the Stratford service was doubled together with all the other changes.

Today some performance analysts argue the timetable is too tight. Which just proves the route must be full.
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Well conception is usually private between consenting adults, and I didn’t want to expose what must have been a beautiful moment ;)

I regularly hear people suggesting that the WAML timetable should have better journeys times, more stops, and better reliability, and I’m afraid I have now give up asking these people to pick one of the three.
 
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Bald Rick said:
Well conception is usually private between consenting adults, and I didn’t want to expose what must have been a beautiful moment ;)

I regularly hear people suggesting that the WAML timetable should have better journeys times, more stops, and better reliability, and I’m afraid I have now give up asking these people to pick one of the three.
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Of course we would love all three but I think the WAML and the GEML timetable may be one of the best conceived timetables out there at present. It really does try to make use of all capacity and infrastructure and it's amazing watching it unfold every peak. Genuine kudos to the hard working folks at GA that made this happen.
 
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Of course we would love all three but I think the WAML and the GEML timetable may be one of the best conceived timetables out there at present. It really does try to make use of all capacity and infrastructure and it's amazing watching it unfold every peak. Genuine kudos to the hard working folks at GA that made this happen.
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Thank you. The Olympics were the catalyist for the Dec 10 GE timetable and the Dec 11 WA timetable, which have stood the test of time until the recent GE changes. No second chance there to get it right.

GA (and all its predecessors) have been relatively fortunate to have a small number of planners who were there in BR days and some are still there now. Best folks I've ever worked with.

All changing now, and it will be interesting to see the WA timetable with class 710s assuming no more hiring in of GA 317s.
 
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Thank you. The Olympics were the catalyist for the Dec 10 GE timetable and the Dec 11 WA timetable, which have stood the test of time until the recent GE changes. No second chance there to get it right.

GA (and all its predecessors) have been relatively fortunate to have a small number of planners who were there in BR days and some are still there now. Best folks I've ever worked with.

All changing now, and it will be interesting to see the WA timetable with class 710s assuming no more hiring in of GA 317s.
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They are clearly very skilled at the jobs that they do, you included. Because the reliability particularly on the GE tends to be quite good as well (obviously provided no disruption), the fact that from 8 trains an hour off-peak, somehow you manage to squeeze onto a two track railway during the peak:
  • A train every 10 minutes to Southend Victoria
  • A train every 10 minutes to Ipswich, with a train every 20 minutes continuing to Norwich
  • A train every 20 minutes to Clacton-on-sea
  • Irregular trains every 40 or so minutes each to Braintree and Southminster
  • The boat train to Harwich International
Really takes a lot of clever timetabling to make all of that happen without any conflict. What also deserves credit is that this is a two track railway but manages to cope with several different stopping patterns (some trains stopping at all stations, some running semi-fast skip stopping and some are crack trains like the 1700 Norwich).

Thank you for making commuting a lot easier than we expected it to be. :)
 
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306024 said:
Thank you. The Olympics were the catalyist for the Dec 10 GE timetable and the Dec 11 WA timetable, which have stood the test of time until the recent GE changes. No second chance there to get it right.

GA (and all its predecessors) have been relatively fortunate to have a small number of planners who were there in BR days and some are still there now. Best folks I've ever worked with.

All changing now, and it will be interesting to see the WA timetable with class 710s assuming no more hiring in of GA 317s.
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The Dec 10 GE TT took a while to bed in. Probably the best thing that happened was that it snowed heavily on the second day, and by the time the snow had gone it was Christmas, and when that was over the drivers and bobbys had got the hang of it.
 
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Back on to topic now - does anyone know of any performance indicators for the 710s on the GOBLIN?
 
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Back on to topic now - does anyone know of any performance indicators for the 710s on the GOBLIN?
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I don't imagine anything will be made public by TfL or Bombardier at this stage. We have too short a period of in service running for any of the normal industry stats to be populated with reliable data.

All I can say, from looking at running times on Realtime Trains, is that there do not yet appear to have been many in service complete failures. Most of the time the GOBLIN service is running on time including the peaks where the extra capacity is obviously helping station dwell times. The few delays that there are are low and much better than with the class 172s.

What does seem to happen most days is that a train will experience a 12 minute delay - often at a terminal. This seems to be related to a known software glitch whereby the train doors won't open and the driver has to change ends and "reset" the train. All of that comment is obviously an interpretation of data and other online comment and NOT based on direct personal observation so place an appropriate weight on it. Sadly I've yet to travel on a 710 because of illness. If people closer to the detail / facts wish to comment on / disagree with the above then that's fine.
 
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Any news on when these will enter service in the Lea Valley lines?
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When electronic coupling is supported, AVIS in chingford yard is complete, and training positions filled..None of which have been completed, although based on diagrams they expect some to arrive between now and December.
 
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Looked like a 710 at the far side of Dollands Moor when I passed Saturday afternoon.
 
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Looked like a 710 at the far side of Dollands Moor when I passed Saturday afternoon.
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There have been 717s stored at Dollands Moor and I think there are still a pair there. If it was not those you saw then it is reasonable to expect other classes of EMU to get stored there pending introduction. It is a secure location after all - but that only means no graffiti until they enter service !.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
There have been 717s stored at Dollands Moor and I think there are still a pair there. If it was not those you saw then it is reasonable to expect other classes of EMU to get stored there pending introduction. It is a secure location after all - but that only means no graffiti until they enter service !.
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Yes, there are still a number of 717's (three or four) there in their usual place.

What I saw looked like it was attached to a red 66. It looked to have a white front, not yellow or orange. Perhaps it was a 717 after all, just in an unusual position?
 
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Surely that would be stood down for maintenance?
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Yes, that may well be the reason for the cancellation, but in this case it doesn't seem to have been planned in advance.
Evidence seems to suggest that all 3 378s were running yesterday.
The reason for today's cancellation is given as "a problem at the depot" which makes me think it was a last-minute decision.
 
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I notice as of Monday 24th June, RTT is showing the full 15 minute timetable again. Is that just because TfL haven't updated it yet, or is this a sign that they're ready to introduce another 710 diagram to restore the full service?
 
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ijmad said:
I notice as of Monday 24th June, RTT is showing the full 15 minute timetable again. Is that just because TfL haven't updated it yet, or is this a sign that they're ready to introduce another 710 diagram to restore the full service?
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I suspect a lack of updates. There have been a number of failures / cancelled trains in recent days with the service being a right old mess. They still seem to be running overnight trains - not sure if trying to get more units "fault free" or driver training - which suggests there is work still to do. I don't think TfL will expand the timetable further for a while yet. AIUI they have several 710s to get into passenger service and the number of daytime training paths being used is very low. Perhaps trainee drivers are shadowing trained drivers on passenger runs??

IIRC the most recent TfL announcement implied it would be September or thereabouts before the GOBLIN would be run entirely with class 710s. That suggests a fair way to go yet.
 
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There have been cancellations every day since Wednesday until yesterday. I think it was one diagram missing in addition to the one that's missing because we don't have a third 710. On Wednesday 11:30 National Rail announced it as 'cleared' but it wasn't.
 
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What are the Saturday diagrams. Thanks. Do they change every week or not?
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There were no Gospel Oak to Barking services today due to engineering work.

At some point soon, it looks like a full 15 minute interval service returns. That means at least three 710s are out as there are only three 4-car 378s and six units are needed.

There have been reports of at least 5 710s having been used in passenger service now (261-3/6/9).
 
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JonathanH said:
There were no Gospel Oak to Barking services today due to engineering work.

At some point soon, it looks like a full 15 minute interval service returns. That means at least three 710s are out as there are only three 4-car 378s and six units are needed.

There have been reports of at least 5 710s having been used in passenger service now (261-3/6/9).
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What about next Saturday
 
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