ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

anamyd · 26 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
Comfort.

Fair point, but I enjoyed my ride on 150-002 from Southampton Central to Cardiff Central about a year ago, even though I was sitting on a sideways facing seat and there was nowhere to put my travel bag! What was unfortunate to me was the fact that I had only got on it as "a 150", not realising its significance until it was too late (of course, I was gutted that I was in a driving car, not one of only two Class 150 centre cars). Those successful Class 150 Sprinter prototypes were built in 1984, the same year as the Class 141 Pacers!

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hexagon789 · 26 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
It often happens these days, trains with no working toilets even over long distances. The alternative is usually to cancel the train.

Not a great choice to have to make.

ChiefPlanner · 26 Jun 2019

A friend completely unimpressed by the international train to Fishguard yesterday , which was formed 14x .....

Sion John · 26 Jun 2019

ChiefPlanner said:
A friend completely unimpressed by the international train to Fishguard yesterday , which was formed 14x .....

On a weekday its a pacer but on Saturdays its booked for a 158 and mostly its a 158 but sometimes its a 150 im on about the 11.00 from Swansea to fishguard harbour

Jez · 27 Jun 2019

Is the 1100 Swansea-Fishguard booked for a pacer? I had thought it was a 158, often substituted with a 150 when not available. Hopefully we wont have to put up with pacers for much longer!

PHILIPE · 27 Jun 2019

Jez said:
Is the 1100 Swansea-Fishguard booked for a pacer? I had thought it was a 158, often substituted with a 150 when not available. Hopefully we wont have to put up with pacers for much longer!

I think it is a 150 now, definitely not a 158

Sion John · 27 Jun 2019

Jez said:
Is the 1100 Swansea-Fishguard booked for a pacer? I had thought it was a 158, often substituted with a 150 when not available. Hopefully we wont have to put up with pacers for much longer!

I said on a week day its been a pacer lately but on Saturdays its booked for a 158 but can be a 150 depends on what they have on that Saturday

craigybagel · 27 Jun 2019

Jez said:
Is the 1100 Swansea-Fishguard booked for a pacer? I had thought it was a 158, often substituted with a 150 when not available. Hopefully we wont have to put up with pacers for much longer!

PHILIPE said:
I think it is a 150 now, definitely not a 158

The diagram number suggests it is indeed booked for a Pacer at present.

berneyarms · 27 Jun 2019

craigybagel said:
The diagram number suggests it is indeed booked for a Pacer at present.

Dare I ask where the 158 that was on that diagram overnighting in Carmarthen has been reassigned to?

PHILIPE · 27 Jun 2019

berneyarms said:
Dare I ask where the 158 that was on that diagram overnighting in Carmarthen has been reassigned to?

It's all over the place at the moment due to the current shortage and temporary working. It may not even be there overnight now as it covers for a 175 to enable a 3 Car to cover Ebbw Vale peaks.

PHILIPE · 27 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
It's all over the place at the moment due to the current shortage and temporary working. It may not even be there overnight now as it covers for a 175 to enable a 3 Car to cover Ebbw Vale peaks.

It's previous working ex Pembroke Dock now works 0910 Swansea to Newport vice a 153 which has been withdrawn as a strengthener on 2B55 0712 Cardiff to Swansea. The 0912 Cardiff to Swansea now has 2 x units (150), one for 1110 Cardiff to Swansea as before and an additional one to work to Fishguard Hbr. I may not be 100% correct but seems to be for the forthcoming future due to a long term shortage not helped by 150 and 158 PRM Mods and 175s refurbishment program

james60059 · 27 Jun 2019

ChiefPlanner said:
A friend completely unimpressed by the international train to Fishguard yesterday , which was formed 14x .....

Only had a 14x on one occasion to FGH and that was back in 2002, was packed too

33017 · 27 Jun 2019

craigybagel said:
The diagram number suggests it is indeed booked for a Pacer at present.

It certainly is.

33017 · 27 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
It's previous working ex Pembroke Dock now works 0910 Swansea to Newport vice a 153 which has been withdrawn as a strengthener on 2B55 0712 Cardiff to Swansea. The 0912 Cardiff to Swansea now has 2 x units (150), one for 1110 Cardiff to Swansea as before and an additional one to work to Fishguard Hbr. I may not be 100% correct but seems to be for the forthcoming future due to a long term shortage not helped by 150 and 158 PRM Mods and 175s refurbishment program

2B57 is booked two Pacers, not two 150s.

Dai Corner · 27 Jun 2019

Brissle Girl said:
That’s exactly how I had interpreted your comment in the first instance too. And I doubt many people would disagree with the sentiment of that opinion. They were never designed for that sort of journey, and thirty years later still aren’t suitable.

And in just over six months they'll be gone. Then we can start moaning about the 150s instead!

PHILIPE · 27 Jun 2019

33017 said:
2B57 is booked two Pacers, not two 150s.

Thanks for that.

Cardiff123 · 27 Jun 2019

Dai Corner said:
And in just over six months they'll be gone. Then we can start moaning about the 150s instead!

That still very much hinges on whether the 769s get into passenger service in the early autumn.
If they don't, TfW will be in trouble.

Sion John · 27 Jun 2019

33017 said:
2B57 is booked two Pacers, not two 150s.

On Monday to Friday yes

Caaardiff · 27 Jun 2019

Cardiff123 said:
That still very much hinges on whether the 769s get into passenger service in the early autumn.
If they don't, TfW will be in trouble.

It is extremely unlikely that Pacers will be running around in 2020.

Kingston Flyer · 28 Jun 2019

33017 said:
2B57 is booked two Pacers, not two 150s.

I took three attempts to read that. I now have images of 2857 (heavy freight 2-8-0 steam loco based at the Severn Valley) running back and forth with a few coaches.

She definitely has been on the mainline:

(photo shows 2857 crossing the river Usk in Newport in 1985)

So who is up for organising 2857 on 2B57. It will need to be top and tail with a diesel as no run round facilities any more.

ChiefPlanner · 28 Jun 2019

Kingston Flyer said:
I took three attempts to read that. I now have images of 2857 (heavy freight 2-8-0 steam loco based at the Severn Valley) running back and forth with a few coaches.

She definitely has been on the mainline:

(photo shows 2857 crossing the river Usk in Newport in 1985)

So who is up for organising 2857 on 2B57. It will need to be top and tail with a diesel as no run round facilities any more.

Wherever the stock to form 2B57 comes from , and bearing in mind is a relatively long journey - especially for the "boat" train element where more comfortable seating and luggage space for the modest number of passengers is needed , could not it be allocated a pair of 150's , leaving the Pacers on the shorter hauls around Cardiff.?

Great shot the 2-8-0 by the way .....

Kingston Flyer · 28 Jun 2019

ChiefPlanner said:
Great shot the 2-8-0 by the way .....

Thank you. I wish I could claim it, but it was 4 years before I was born. The photo is the cover shot for the 2857 society.

ChiefPlanner · 28 Jun 2019

Kingston Flyer said:
Thank you. I wish I could claim it, but it was 4 years before I was born. The photo is the cover shot for the 2857 society.

I was up for going down , but got caught to go to work. Annoyed. Very much a one off I think.

sprinterguy · 28 Jun 2019

TFW must really be feeling the pinch at the moment, as the 08:09 Birmingham - Aberystwyth/Pwllheli was formed of a single 150 as far as Shrewsbury this morning (Rather than the usual pair of 158s).

150+158 formations out of Birmingham have been fairly common in recent months, but a single 150 really is stretching things a bit.

PHILIPE · 28 Jun 2019

sprinterguy said:
TFW must really be feeling the pinch at the moment, as the 08:09 Birmingham - Aberystwyth/Pwllheli was formed of a single 150 as far as Shrewsbury this morning (Rather than the usual pair of 158s).

150+158 formations out of Birmingham have been fairly common in recent months, but a single 150 really is stretching things a bit.

The 0809 is now a single unit, but a 158 of course, as far as Shrewsbury, The unit off the 0630 ex Aberystwyth attaches to it at Shrewsbury and becomes the Pwllheli portion. This was to "squeeze" the diagrams due to current shortage especially in view of PRM Mods

Jez · 28 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
It's previous working ex Pembroke Dock now works 0910 Swansea to Newport vice a 153 which has been withdrawn as a strengthener on 2B55 0712 Cardiff to Swansea. The 0912 Cardiff to Swansea now has 2 x units (150), one for 1110 Cardiff to Swansea as before and an additional one to work to Fishguard Hbr. I may not be 100% correct but seems to be for the forthcoming future due to a long term shortage not helped by 150 and 158 PRM Mods and 175s refurbishment program

thanks for explaining, that makes sense now. I guess there will be a lot of changes in the coming months in terms of diagrams due to shortage of units, units going for PRM mods/refurbishment and new units hopefully arriving. I wonder what will be booked for the Royal Welsh Special next month, it could be whatever is available on the day, last year we saw a 3 car 175 on one of the days and 150/153 (I think) on the other days.

sprinterguy · 28 Jun 2019

PHILIPE said:
The 0809 is now a single unit, but a 158 of course, as far as Shrewsbury, The unit off the 0630 ex Aberystwyth attaches to it at Shrewsbury and becomes the Pwllheli portion. This was to "squeeze" the diagrams due to current shortage especially in view of PRM Mods

Oh, fair enough. Couldn't recall encountering it as a single unit before, though I don't see it every day.

PHILIPE · 28 Jun 2019

sprinterguy said:
Oh, fair enough. Couldn't recall encountering it as a single unit before, though I don't see it every day.

From the horse's mouth. It dropped out in a TFW Twitter message and seems to have only changed since May

craigybagel · 28 Jun 2019

175103 was involved in a collision with a cow today between Pontypool and Abergavenny, so that's another unit down in the short term.

anamyd · 28 Jun 2019

craigybagel said:
175103 was involved in a collision with a cow today between Pontypool and Abergavenny, so that's another unit down in the short term.

I'm sorry to hear what likely happened to the cow, the 175, and the driver, passengers and crew on the 175. 103 was the one I filmed the ex-GWR 153s delivery from as well - I've never been in a train crash but they must be nasty...

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