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Manchester stations. L’pool stations ect

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Saperstein

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Rail tickets tickets are often routed, say, from x to Liverpool Stations, or x to Manchester Stations ect and of course London Terminals talked about in the Epsom thread.

Is there a list of these somewhere or maybe we can make a sticky or maybe I’m just being lazy lol.

AFAIK - Liverpool Stations are James Street / Moorefields / Lime Street / Central / and possibly South Parkway, but of course I could be wrong!
 
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There's more than I thought (started writing before Merseysider's message popped up):

Ardrossan Stations
Bedford Stations
Birmingham Stations
Blackpool Stations
Bootle Stations
Bradford Yorkshire Stations
Bristol Stations
Burnley Stations
Canterbury Stations
Cardiff Stations
Catford Stations
Colchester Stations
Croydon Stations
Dorchester Stations
Dorking Stations
Dover Stations
Edenbridge Stations
Enfield Stations
Exeter Stations
Falkirk Stations
Farnborough Stations
Folkestone Stations
Gainsborough Stations
Glasgow Stations
Greenock Stations
Hamilton Stations
Helensburgh Stations
Hertford Stations
Hillington Stations
Liverpool Stations
London Thameslink Stations
Lymington Stations
Maidstone Stations
Manchester Stations
Newark Stations
Newhaven Stations
Penge Stations
Plymouth Stations
Pontefract Stations
Portsmouth Stations
Reading Stations
Southend Stations
Thorne Stations
Tilbury Stations
Tyndrum Stations
Wakefield Stations
Warrington Stations
West Hampstead Stations
Wigan Stations
Worcester Stations
Wrexham Stations
 

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There are no Cardiff Stations, Newhaven Stations or Lymington stations fare locations.
 

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There could really do with being "Milton Keynes Stations" - Bletchley, MKC, Wolverton as a minimum, but possibly also Fenny Stratford and Bow Brickhill.

Near enough all fares for Wolverton and MKC are the same anyway. Bletchley has a cheaper London fare but most long distance ones are the same. It wouldn't be a big change to the actual fares to do this, and could come with an easement to allow, say, a double back from Bletchley to MKC to go to London which at some times of day is quicker.
 

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No Blackpool or Burnley stations groups anymore either.

Tickets to Wigan now seem to be issued to 'North Western/Wallgate' rather than Wigan stations now although it's effectively the same thing.
 

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There could really do with being "Milton Keynes Stations" - Bletchley, MKC, Wolverton as a minimum, but possibly also Fenny Stratford and Bow Brickhill.

Near enough all fares for Wolverton and MKC are the same anyway. Bletchley has a cheaper London fare but most long distance ones are the same. It wouldn't be a big change to the actual fares to do this, and could come with an easement to allow, say, a double back from Bletchley to MKC to go to London which at some times of day is quicker.

The doubleback between BLY-MKC was allowed until not that long ago, to compensate for BLY losing it’s inter-City service when MKC opened.
 

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Really? How is that going to work out in practice?
Replacing them with named stations instead, presumably. This has already happened in a lot of cases - e.g. many TOCs' Advances that were once issued to group stations are now issued to specific stations (e.g. King's Cross instead of London Terminals, Liverpool Lime Street instead of Liverpool Stations and so on).
 

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So a passenger travelling with a return from Liverpool to Manchester would not longer have the choice of returning from either Manchester Piccadilly or Manchester Victoria? They'd have to decide beforehand from which station they want to travel to and come back from? Bonkers.
 

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How incredibly passenger-friendly :lol:

You may laugh but how many threads do we see on here asking about the validity of 'London Terminals' and where they can actually go to? Seems to make it quite clear to the passenger does it not?
 

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So a passenger travelling with a return from Liverpool to Manchester would not longer have the choice of returning from either Manchester Piccadilly or Manchester Victoria? They'd have to decide beforehand from which station they want to travel to and come back from? Bonkers.
No, as OwlMan says, it'd be a named list of terminals. But the issue is with massive station groups like London Terminals, where for some origins there can be upwards of 10 permissible London Terminals. There's not really enough space to list them all if you write them out in full!
 

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So Group Stations aren't actually being phased out, just that the groups will be written differently on tickets?
 

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Are there groupings for New Mills stations (Newtown/Central)?
Can you buy a return ticket from New Mills Central to, say Manchester and return to New Mills New Town?

Can you buy returns from one of the below stations, say to Liverpool or Manchester for example and return back to the other?
Burscough Bridge/Junction
Marple/Marple Rose Hill
Reddish North/South
Birkenhead Central/Park/North/Conway Park/Hamilton Sq
Runcorn/Runcorn East
St Helens Central/St Helens Junction
Walton/Rice Lane
Northwich or Greenbank/Hartford
 

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Can you buy returns from one of the below stations, say to Liverpool or Manchester for example and return back to the other?
Burscough Bridge/Junction
Officially nope but most conductors turn a blind eye
Marple/Marple Rose Hill
Yes
Reddish North/South
Nope as South has no service six days a week
Birkenhead Central /Park /North /Conway Park /Hamilton Square
Local practice is yes as long as the highest fare is paid
Runcorn/Runcorn East
No
St Helens Central/St Helens Junction
Can be permitted if you ask before boarding and the higher fare is paid
Walton/Rice Lane
Yes
Northwich or Greenbank/Hartford
I wouldn't risk it here; Northern are quite keen on financially penalising anyone without the 'correct' ticket in this area
 

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Officially nope but most conductors turn a blind eye
Yes
Nope as South has no service six days a week
Local practice is yes as long as the highest fare is paid
No
Can be permitted if you ask before boarding and the higher fare is paid

Yes
I wouldn't risk it here; Northern are quite keen on financially penalising anyone without the 'correct' ticket in this area
Thanks for the prompt reply, seems odd that some of the ticket acceptance depends on who the Guard/Train Manager is on the day?
What happens if there are Revenue Inspection teams operating
Also would the passenger know if a higher fare applied?

Any thoughts on the New Mills Newtown/Central query?
 

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Thanks for the prompt reply, seems odd that some of the ticket acceptance depends on who the Guard/Train Manager is on the day?
What happens if there are Revenue Inspection teams operating
Also would the passenger know if a higher fare applied?

Any thoughts on the New Mills Newtown/Central query?
I can't speak from experience regarding a ticket to New Mills, but I recently used a ticket from Buxton to leave at Newtown and board from Central without any issues.
 

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So Group Stations aren't actually being phased out, just that the groups will be written differently on tickets?
Some people within the industry have been trying to phase out these tickets for years, but there is no way to completely eliminate them without eroding passenger rights and flexibilities.

Here is an example of the sort of thread that these people like to use against passenger rights: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/epsom-to-euston-aka-london-terminals.185005/

Their argument goes that it's confusing, so must be abolished. The problem is, any replacement is going to be detrimental to passengers.

There was, for many years, a direct train from Richmond to St Pancras. This now lives on as London Overground, albeit with a change of trains required at Willesden Jn to get to Euston. Certain people within the industry are very keen to remove this route as being valid for tickets from London Terminals to Richmond (and beyond) and abolishing these groups would be the perfect excuse for them to do this.

Next time GWR get diverted into Marylebone/Waterloo, expect major ticketing related problems, to give another example.
How incredibly passenger-friendly :lol:
You are quite right to see through this; some people would love to make Richmond to London Terminals tickets issued as only valid to Waterloo/Victoria (and, if we are lucky, Charing Cross, London Bridge etc would be retained) and force people going to Euston to use PAYG.

They also want to stop people going from Birmingham to Paddington, Peterborough to Liverpool Street, etc etc... :(
 

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And with it a significant loss of passenger flexibility.....
It’s an easy suggestion to make, or agree to, if your London trains only happen go to Kings Cross. I wonder if we’ll see Moorgate ‘accidentally’ not appearing on LNER flows...

Like others I’m looking forward to seeing how all the valid “from the south” London terminals, (and for me that includes Paddington), get abbreviated...
 
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