Any app which uses the head codes shows a liverpool to brum, theres also a New street to rugeley train as it splits from the crewe and gets a new head code.
All station and train displays show them as direct
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LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)
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RealTrains07
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Just a pain in the backside for travellers on the wobble who are over looked once again by LNR.
sufian123
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This is getting ridiculous now. 1621 and 1647 terminated at Hednesford today. This is due to signalling problems. Why we at Rgl be the ones suffering. Why can they ran it non stop to Rgl instead?
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There are probably more people travelling to the stations up to Hednesford than to Rugeley so affects less people overall.
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Why should we be a minority?
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I am not saying that it is right to have a whole hour gap in services to Rugeley and this shows that the new timetable of combining lots of different services together but if you look at the station usage figures for the stations between Walsall and Rugeley Trent Valley the stops between Bloxwich and Hednesford add up to more than the Rugeley stations do so I think that in that situation it is the best decision to make.
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Apparently it’s easier to restart at hednesford.
RealTrains07
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Their is no point in arguing anymore. Services need to split. Delays in the south WCML has once again impacted services in the north. Broken train didnt help matters but reliability of the timetable is out the window
Who is arguing though?! I think it's one of the very few threads where everyone agrees that it wouldnt work and now proved right as doesn't work. The issue now is it cant just be undone.
I'm not aware of any major issues down south though today, the two major problems being a failed unit at Stone and a major lack of traincrew.
In theory that should work well by using the bays at Northampton which are basically unused all day.
If the aim was to prevent terminations at New Street there were other options than what is being done. IMO the Wolves-walsall should have been split with a Walsall to Euston and a Euston to Wolves with the Liverpools all becoming Liverpool to International. The distance, turnarounds and complexities at the moment just don't work
I doubt LNWR would throw away the cash cow that is their direct (albeit slow) London-Brum services.
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It could possibly work with some services but I think that at least 1tph off peak and 2tph peak should run through from Birmingham to London as they provide a cheaper alternative to Virgin Trains and if they ran as 8 coaches all the way through with 12 from Northampton it should be enougth through capacity at this frequency.
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Any explanation why services on the South WCML were getting cancelled then?
Who says it cant be undone. Sure the new routes may not be easy to separated but the other that were separated before
Like I said before the issues down south were pretty much all caused by lack of traincrew, there is far too much reliance on rest day work and for a long weekend with a good forecast nobody wants to work!
The amount of trains running round ecs vice cancelled trains is high.
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Attached is the departure board for Cheddington this morning showing a 4-hour period with no southbound service. Leighton Buzzard and Tring both had 2 hour gaps. The local Facebook groups were going mad!
I sincerely hope extra calls were added to compensate for the gaps in the service. Anyone know?
I sincerely hope extra calls were added to compensate for the gaps in the service. Anyone know?
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RealTrains07
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2nd day in a row with timetable chaos. Signal failure in brum area for the thousanth time this year. When are we gonna get a day that every service actually runs? According to the timetable
sufian123
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Today engineering works at Euston. Amended timetable. Signalling is with network rail. This can’t be blamed on timetable.
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Amended?? Looks the same to me
Cant be blamed simply on just network rail as its the timetable which sets out the structure of the services which is being disrupted by problems on the line but also the way the timetable works makes the problems 10 times worse than they should be
Take stafford for example: this is from today (Saturday 29th)
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Cancellation codes TG and TZ in the example I posted are nothing to do with engineering - they are Train Crew issues and “Unknown” respectively. That’s on top of the already much reduced timetable (which they clearly still couldn’t run to time). LNR are not covering themselves in glory to put it mildly.
Bletchleyite
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The problem isn't that there was a signalling failure. The problem is that with an overcomplicated timetable with lots of inter-running and complex crew diagrams, that signalling failure causing a few delayed or cancelled trains knocks on to the whole network, as units and staff end up out of place, until the whole thing near collapses just in time for frequencies to be reduced during the evening.
If you imagine the same situation with separate Euston-Trent Valley-Crewe, Euston-Brum and Euston-Tring/MKC unit and crew diagrams, all you need to do is cancel a round trip on each and everything is back where it should be within a couple of hours. That's why in LM days (even if they did have *some* interworking) if there was an issue in the morning peak it was always sorted by the evening.
Talking of Cheddington, though, I have noticed stop orders being put on, so I'd be surprised if they hadn't.
But I have no issue with them cranking out cheap Advances for through journeys from Euston to Liverpool to fill spare capacity if they feel like (provided they continue to cough up to get the 350/2s out to actually provide it). But these new through services are in many ways comparable to the story of a certain Northern airfield - they are the tail wagging the dog, and they are destroying the service for the core market of short distance commuter and leisure journeys.
Bletchleyite
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It's easily as bad as the whole GTR debacle (both bits of it - SN and Thameslink). Has that settled down yet?
For passengers from the MK area, VT must be making an absolute killing out of this (as fortunately it seems to be affecting them only to a very limited extent). Not only is it cheaper when going to London from MKC, it also might bother showing up vaguely on time too.
And if you want a punctual/reliable train from Bletchley at the minute? That'll be the Southern. And that really is saying something.
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I have never seen so much choas on LNR compared to today and thats saying something as LM had their bad days as well back in the day
Iam surprised no other MPs are flagging up the disastrous new timetable apart from ones in rugeley regarding the chase line
Iam surprised no other MPs are flagging up the disastrous new timetable apart from ones in rugeley regarding the chase line
When GTR went belly up Grayling was given a right kicking by MPs. Quite amusing to watch even Conservative MPs lay into him with tales of woe from constituents.
Rail services are very important to MPs in GTR land.
Yes no route towards Wolverhampton out of New Street, everything had to divert via The south end and Aston. Seems to have crippled Liverpool/Stoke/Shrewsbury routes but to be honest apart from Stoke they would have been on the old.timetable too
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But the fact that problems in Birmingham are affecting what used to be local services in other areas as much as they are is exactly what people have been getting exercised about, and rightly so.
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LNR only equipped the 20:34 service to Crewe with only 4 carriages. This was not a good idea. A further 5 carriages were behind the train although for some reason were not attached.
We got at Euston 20:50 to see off one of our friends. She along with many other passengers struggled to board the train which was as full as they come during peak time. In fairness, the delay did allow her to catch the service which was a positive. The service was apparently late departing due to the rails being too hot. It got later and later en route and apparently had to run slowly on the slow line for safety reasons. According to my friend she did not get to Litchfield until after midnight.
The Birmingham service opposite was also very full.
We got at Euston 20:50 to see off one of our friends. She along with many other passengers struggled to board the train which was as full as they come during peak time. In fairness, the delay did allow her to catch the service which was a positive. The service was apparently late departing due to the rails being too hot. It got later and later en route and apparently had to run slowly on the slow line for safety reasons. According to my friend she did not get to Litchfield until after midnight.
The Birmingham service opposite was also very full.
Bletchleyite
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It was, but the point is that the complex diagrams and timetabling on LNR means recovery is much slower than before that was the case.
As I said, with simple, self-contained and short diagrams you just cancel a round trip on each and everything is back where it should be.
Can't argue with that logic.
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