Privs now valid on Grand Central

dk1 · 30 Jun 2019

I note that from the 1st of July rail staff travel will be accepted on Grand Central routes for the first time. Although good news for us it will be even better news for GC staff who should obtain priv on all other TOCs too.

Apologies if already been posted but tried to look.

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lyndhurst25 · 30 Jun 2019

There were some Rover tickets that Grand Central refused to accept too. Have they had a change of heart on these as well?

dk1 · 30 Jun 2019

lyndhurst25 said:
There were some Rover tickets that Grand Central refused to accept too. Have they had a change of heart on these as well?

Sorry mate I don't know. Only know about this from the rail staff travel pages on Rail Delivery Group website.

scrapy · 30 Jun 2019

lyndhurst25 said:
There were some Rover tickets that Grand Central refused to accept too. Have they had a change of heart on these as well?

What rover tickets were these? If it was only priv discounted rovers that they refused to accept then this is understandable as they didn't take any other priv discounted tickets.

lyndhurst25 · 30 Jun 2019

scrapy said:
What rover tickets were these? If it was only priv discounted rovers that they refused to accept then this is understandable as they didn't take any other priv discounted tickets.

One example is the North East Rover.

http://www.railrover.org/pages/north-east-rover.html

"Not valid on Grand Central or Hull Trains"

_toommm_ · 30 Jun 2019

scrapy said:
What rover tickets were these? If it was only priv discounted rovers that they refused to accept then this is understandable as they didn't take any other priv discounted tickets.

They also didn't accept the WY Bus + Train Day Rovers up until recently.

Bletchleyite · 30 Jun 2019

Isn't it the case with Privs that if you want to issue them you have to accept them too?

Not so with Rovers.

dk1 · 30 Jun 2019

Bletchleyite said:
Isn't it the case with Privs that if you want to issue them you have to accept them too?

Unsure why GC always took this stance against free & priv TOC staff. All it did was penalise their own staff. Hull trains signed up many moons ago.

ForTheLoveOf · 30 Jun 2019

Next stop, accepting all rangers and rovers in their area - or alternatively, mark the TOC restriction on the ticket as the NRCoT require. Sure, Northern (who price the vast majority of the rangers and rovers valid on GC's patch) aren't going to want to increase the price in order to give GC some revenue, but it's just utterly petty when the likes of LNER have been accepting them all along for the very limited number of journeys made with such tickets on their trains.

Saperstein · 30 Jun 2019

Agree that they should have accepted them before.

Is it anything to do with GC being and open access operator and they don’t have to take them?

Seems though, as usual, it’s the passenger who is being penalised, though in the case of Privs the pax are rail staff!

dk1 · 30 Jun 2019

Saperstein said:
Agree that they should have accepted them before.

Seems though, as usual, it’s the passenger who is being penalised, though in the case of Privs the pax are rail staff!

Exactly. I for one have no real reason or desire to go to the likes of Hartlepool, Brighouse or Sunderland unless I'm ticking Spoons & even then I would normally choose the main operators as prefer frequency over convenience. I felt more for the GC staff who where always getting asked if it's okay to hop onboard by us but getting nothing in return. Common sense prevails at long last.

Deerfold · 30 Jun 2019

_toommm_ said:
They also didn't accept the WY Bus + Train Day Rovers up until recently.

I've been using them on GC for years with no problems (and MCards on occasion) - both Adult and Family versions. The terms of the Day Rovers have not excluded any train services except excursions to my knowledge.

Mag_seven · 30 Jun 2019

dk1 said:
I note that from the 1st of July rail staff travel will be accepted on Grand Central routes for the first time. Although good news for us it will be even better news for GC staff who should obtain priv on all other TOCs too.

Apologies if already been posted but tried to look.

Too little too late for priv holders who like HSTs.

cactustwirly · 30 Jun 2019

Mag_seven said:
Too little too late for priv holders who like HSTs.

Well you can still get them with EMT!

43094 · 30 Jun 2019

I suspect the decision to not accept them prior to now may not have been mainly driven by GC...

pdeaves · 30 Jun 2019

Saperstein said:
Is it anything to do with GC being and open access operator and they don’t have to take them?

I believe that is correct

Starmill · 30 Jun 2019

lyndhurst25 said:
One example is the North East Rover.

http://www.railrover.org/pages/north-east-rover.html

"Not valid on Grand Central or Hull Trains"

Hull Trains do accept the North East Rover. Or so they told me when I specifically asked. I've used a North East Rover on GC many times too. Nothing I've ever seen suggests that's not permitted, their staff on the trains seem to think they're valid.

Starmill · 30 Jun 2019

_toommm_ said:
They also didn't accept the WY Bus + Train Day Rovers up until recently.

I remember buying one for use on their trains about 8 years ago. How recent is recently?

_toommm_ · 1 Jul 2019

Starmill said:
I remember buying one for use on their trains about 8 years ago. How recent is recently?

The Train Day Rover still doesn't call out as being usable on NRE. I believe it was said on here in the past that officially it wasn't allowed, but most guards were fine with it.

Deerfold · 1 Jul 2019

_toommm_ said:
The Train Day Rover still doesn't call out as being usable on NRE. I believe it was said on here in the past that officially it wasn't allowed, but most guards were fine with it.

With the Train and Bus one showing as being valid on NRE, I suspect this is an error on NRE - I don't think companies can accept one and not the other.

yorkie · 1 Jul 2019

lyndhurst25 said:
There were some Rover tickets that Grand Central refused to accept too. Have they had a change of heart on these as well?

I only ever heard of one person being refused travel on a North East Rover. I never had any problems and I don't think I ever actually met anyone who did.

I am not aware of anyone having a PRIV ticket rejected either.

dk1 · 1 Jul 2019

yorkie said:
I am not aware of anyone having a PRIV ticket rejected either.

I was once refused travel from Thirsk to York & a colleague was turned away at Kings Cross last year. Was once told that the West Yorks crew where more accommodating than Sunderland but that was several years ago.

yorkie · 1 Jul 2019

_toommm_ said:
The Train Day Rover still doesn't call out as being usable on NRE.

Is this a typo? Do you mean the West Yorkshire Train Day Rover page on NRE doesn't list Grand Central as a participating train company?

This does not in any way invalidate the ticket or change the contractual position.

It's clearly a mistake anyway as the West Yorkshire Day Rover (Train & Bus) does list GC.

_toommm_ said:
I believe it was said on here in the past that officially it wasn't allowed, but most guards were fine with it.

I don't see how they could possibly refuse to accept it.

I don't recall that, but if someone said it wasn't allowed, feel free to dig out the post so we can correct them!

Rover · 1 Jul 2019

Starmill said:
Hull Trains do accept the North East Rover. Or so they told me when I specifically asked. I've used a North East Rover on GC many times too. Nothing I've ever seen suggests that's not permitted, their staff on the trains seem to think they're valid.

That's very interesting.
Barry Doe in all his Rail Rover articles in Rail has alway stated that it is not valid on Grand Central or Hull Trains and the NRE website does not list Grand Central or Hull Trains as participating TOCs.

CyrusWuff · 1 Jul 2019

dk1 said:
Unsure why GC always took this stance against free & priv TOC staff. All it did was penalise their own staff. Hull trains signed up many moons ago.

I suspect it was more likely the case of one (or more) of the franchised operators objecting to Grand Central getting travel facilities than the other way round...

43094 · 1 Jul 2019

Suspect that’s right....

Mag_seven · 4 Jul 2019

CyrusWuff said:
I suspect it was more likely the case of one (or more) of the franchised operators objecting to Grand Central getting travel facilities than the other way round...

I wonder what one it was? Funny it more or less coincides with one of the franchises that operates on the same route changing hands.....

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