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Northern Class 195: Initial Diagrams

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IBeing 27L southbound at Picc makes me wonder why it wasn't terminated there, but it's likely there were considerations I don't know about
Could be. I was going to catch it but went on another train. When I looked on RTT about 0915 to see where it was it was saying 'Cancelled' after Piccadilly.
 

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Being 27L southbound at Picc makes me wonder why it wasn't terminated there, but it's likely there were considerations I don't know about, and I'd be the first to say that this terminating prior to a booked destination does go a shade too far sometimes.

Possibly it is more mither to terminate on the through platforms (particularly at short notice) than it is to just keep it going? The through platforms can be chaotic even at the best of times in my experience

I certainly didn't intend to suggest that the train should have terminated in platform 13 or 14 and reversed from there - it's very rare it's appropriate to do that, even if a train is almost due to depart I've sometimes known it be sent to the Mayfield loop to reverse. Talking of the Mayfield loop, that appears to have been unoccupied when this train arrived at Picc, it could have been sent there, received its thirteen minutes of attention (that's how long it actually took, at the Airport), and still departed Picc virtually on time. But the attention it needed may have been easier to muster at the Airport, or Northern may have decided that they're not going to terminate ex-Barrow/Windermere trains at Picc. If that is the policy, I can definitely see merit in it.
 

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All units are the same today with the exception of 195117 which has been replaced by 195114 as 117 was facing some gremlins
 

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All units are the same today with the exception of 195117 which has been replaced by 195114 as 117 was facing some gremlins

Do you mean all units are working the same duty today (with the exception of 195117)?
 

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All units are the same today with the exception of 195117 which has been replaced by 195114 as 117 was facing some gremlins
On 1st July, the 1306 ex-Windermere and the 1530 ex-Airport (part of diagram 2) were worked by 118, not 117 per your advance information. I don't know what worked diagram 4 in place of 118.
 

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Although this is supposed to be via Bolton, when it runs (which seems far from guaranteed at the moment) I've seen it run by either route. It's the up working which becomes the 2210 Airport-Barrow which I often use to get home, so I pay close attention to it to see whether I'm going to need to make other arrangements.

The weekend timetable I have to confess I ignored altogether; partly since we don't know yet whether they'll be 195 operated (though I agree I can't see why they wouldn't be), but mostly because there are still so many disruptions to the Northern timetable at weekends that it's less a timetable and more a gaze into a crystal ball...
On a sunday there are only 5 x 195's booked to work the ones at Allerton don't come out to play. Barrow/MIA/Windermere sees them.
 

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I must thank mikemcniven for the information supplied about the allocations of the 195s in #1. As more and more 195s enter service,will the list be expanded , or was that a one off ?
Does anyone have any info about the Ormskirk Preston service ? At present , its a pacer service;it seems to be part of a Preston/Ormskirk/Blackpool S/Colne diagram .
Wll that be replaced by a new 195 or another cascaded DMU ? Has a 195 used the lines to Ormskirk, Blackpool South and Coln yet ?
 
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On a sunday there are only 5 x 195's booked to work the ones at Allerton don't come out to play. Barrow/MIA/Windermere sees them.

Which is to say, there are going to be five units on Barrow/Windermere compared to four on other days. Yes, RTT supports - the Newton Heath duty appears to do 0935 Barrow.
 

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09:29 Airport to Barrow has omitted East Didsbury AGAIN today - didn't it do that Monday or Tuesday? Slightly concerned now for next Monday's trip - maybe I should leave it until I have a Monday off later in the month/year?
 

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09:29 Airport to Barrow has omitted East Didsbury AGAIN today - didn't it do that Monday or Tuesday? Slightly concerned now for next Monday's trip - maybe I should leave it until I have a Monday off later in the month/year?
Two diagrams are being operated by 156s today (including that one). It seems that one, or maybe even two, of the 195s are not in traffic today, presumably with faults.
 

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Two diagrams are being operated by 156s today (including that one). It seems that one, or maybe even two, of the 195s are not in traffic today, presumably with faults.

06:48 Barrow to Manchester Airport - 156443
15:29 Manchester Airport to Barrow - 156455
15:16 Liverpool to Manchester Airport 195121 (Only 1 unit not 2)

So at least 3 195's missing in action (or should that be 'out of action'??
 

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06:48 Barrow to Manchester Airport - 156443
15:29 Manchester Airport to Barrow - 156455
15:16 Liverpool to Manchester Airport 195121 (Only 1 unit not 2)

So at least 3 195's missing in action (or should that be 'out of action'??
Yeah. The unit I caught on the 2210 MIA - Barrow last night had a broken toilet (the guard couldn't work out what was wrong but thought it may have been the door) and was 10 minutes late because of a brake issue. So I'm willing to bet that's one of the ones out of service.
 

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They're 3 down I believe. Teething problems are to be expected but 3 of the 7 out of action only 3 days in is disappointing to say the least.
 

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I must thank mikemcniven for the information supplied about the allocations of the 195s in #1. As more and more 195s enter service,will the list be expanded , or was that a one off ?
Does anyone have any info about the Ormskirk Preston service ? At present , its a pacer service;it seems to be part of a Preston/Ormskirk/Blackpool S/Colne diagram .
Wll that be replaced by a new 195 or another cascaded DMU ? Has a 195 used the lines to Ormskirk, Blackpool South and Coln yet ?

I will do my best to keep the diagram data upto date where time and data permits me to be able to.

The Ormskirk/Blackpool South/Clone - Preston services are more then likely going to be a 150 diagram when the pacers are withdrawn
 

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A couple of errors have crept into the Saturday workings for Circuit 6. The 0613 ex-Liverpool runs to Manchester Airport, and the 0750 from Manchester Airport. The 2129 ex-Liverpool similarly runs to Manchester Airport, the 2249 from Manchester Airport.
 

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With a number of overnight stays in barrow, can they be refuelled there or can they make it a couple days before returning to Allerton
 
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