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Two trackworkers killed near Port Talbot in South Wales (03/07/19)

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really shocked to hear about this, my heart goes out to all those involved in this tragedy.
All in all I found the coverage largely distasteful, but that’s what the media’s like I’m sorry to say.
Indeed.
 

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Discussion on "red zone working" is in its own thread here.

Forum staff would like to ask members to refrain from speculation and await the official RAIB report into the causes of this tragic incident.

You are also asked not to quote any content you find objectionable, but rather report them instead. Quoting such content just makes our jobs that little bit more difficult. Thank you.
 

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Discussion on "red zone working" is in its own thread here.

Forum staff would like to ask members to refrain from speculation and await the official RAIB report into the causes of this tragic incident.

You are also asked not to quote any content you find objectionable, but rather report them instead. Quoting such content just makes our jobs that little bit more difficult. Thank you.

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A firm reminder to myself about how dangerous it really is out there on track when working with machinery, it’s so easy to become complacent and comfortable with it all. I’m absolutely heart broken for the families and others involved, this is awful news, god bless them and to those all affected.
 

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Not going to pre-judge anything.

Condolences to those bereaved and I do hope that anybody else involved and affected get's adequate support and help at what is a very difficult time.
 

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I’ve got a friend who works for Network Rail, and this mornings events must’ve shaken everyone involved near or far.
Absolutely awful.
 

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Terrible news, no one should die earning a living.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48854010

“The Rail, Maritime and Transport union general secretary Mick Cash called for a suspension of all similar works by Network Rail "until the facts were established" following the "shocking news"”

Should he have been more precise as to how similar (or would that involve details he shouldn’t divulge) or is this a bit of a weird statement on the lines of the “close all level crossings” ones?

PS before anyone thinks I am just being anti union I actually think safety is a huge reason such workers need unions.
 

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My thoughts are with the family and friends of everyone involved x to the family who will not hear the key in door st the end of the shift x to the friends who will not share a pint and a chat x to the superb emergency services and network rail staff who have had to witness and deal with the aftermath x to the passengers and train crew involved x I worked on the PWay for 25 years before I became a signaller x had my fair share of near misses x god bless them x RIP my brothers xxx
 

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My thoughts and prayers go to the families and friends of those fellow rail workers involved in today's incident. Not what you expect when turning up for work.

Also, to Bournemouth area crews and passengers who've been involved in 4 disturbing incidents in last ten days (including two fatalities).
 

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Pretty shocking to hear this. Thoughts to all those involved.

Am I right to assume that the Heart of Wales/Swansea District line was not used for any diversions as a result of this incident?
 

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Devastating incident this morning. Two guys went to work, like any other day for them and they are now dead. This is not a normal fatality. I have so much sympathy for them. There is a massive difference here between a suicide fatality and an accident at work fatality. Any death on the railway is a sad state of affairs but the death of one or a number of our colleagues is a particularly harder one to comprehend.
Again, two of my railway colleagues are now dead, and that saddens me the most.
 
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Pretty shocking to hear this. Thoughts to all those involved.

Am I right to assume that the Heart of Wales/Swansea District line was not used for any diversions as a result of this incident?
HOWL would have been impractical and the District is in the wrong place. The only possible one was Tondu-Margam, but the line is under a permanent T3, track all but condemned. Not sure at TfW, but it's long been off the cards of the Swansea GWR men who used to sign it
 

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The sun rises on another anonymous day. But for the friends and family of those who lost their lives yesterday the nightmare won't end. The guilt of those involved, the survivor and the train driver won't have subsided much. My thoughts go out to all those involved.
 

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The RMT has said "all similar works should be stopped".
Does anyone know what work was happening?
 

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The RMT has said "all similar works should be stopped".
Does anyone know what work was happening?

Yep, and given what I've learned this morning I don't think all similar works should be stopped myself, but that's after just having a quick look through things. Speaking to a few people there does seem to be a bit of a trend developing around this type of location though which shouldn't be the case, indicating that things do need tightening up.
 
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Pretty shocking to hear this. Thoughts to all those involved.

Am I right to assume that the Heart of Wales/Swansea District line was not used for any diversions as a result of this incident?

No. Not at all. For one thing it would take most of the day
 

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Yep, and given what I've learned this morning I don't think all similar works should be stopped myself, but that's after just having a quick look through things. Speaking to a few people there does seem to be a bit of a trend developing around this type of location though which shouldn't be the case, indicating that things do need tightening up.
When you say "location", do you mean a location near to a working line, or do you mean this geographical area? I'm not sure what you were describing.
 

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When you say "location", do you mean a location near to a working line, or do you mean this geographical area? I'm not sure what you were describing.

'Type of location' so a type of place found all over the railway, though I'll go no further at this stage. It seems there may have been another troubling incident already elsewhere since Margam, though without any tragic consequences.
 

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'Type of location' so a type of place found all over the railway, though I'll go no further at this stage. It seems there may have been another troubling incident already elsewhere since Margam, though without any tragic consequences.
Thanks for clarifying.
 

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The RMT has said "all similar works should be stopped".
Does anyone know what work was happening?

Work from the discipline these guys worked for has been stopped although short term. It is known how this tragic accident happened and their names have been released.

A real shame and my thoughts are with their loved ones.
 
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Work from the discipline these guys worked for has been stopped although short term. It is known how this tragic accident happened and their names have been released.

A real shame and my thoughts are with their loved ones.
Would it be wrong for me to link to the BBC News article? Just wondering.

-Peter
 

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Would it be wrong for me to link to the BBC News article? Just wondering.

-Peter

Personally, as the news is widely available now, I don't see how it would be inappropriate, some might see it differently.
 

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Personally, as the news is widely available now, I don't see how it would be inappropriate, some might see it differently.
OK. By posting a link here, I am in no way trying to be offensive towards those involved. I believe that as the BBC have covered it, it would be suitable to put on here. I will not quote the article or use any photos.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48862037
Please feel free to have a go at me if you believe this is offensive.

-Peter
 

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OK. By posting a link here, I am in no way trying to be offensive towards those involved. I believe that as the BBC have covered it, it would be suitable to put on here. I will not quote the article or use any photos.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48862037
Please feel free to have a go at me if you believe this is offensive.

-Peter
No issue of offence at all, but I think that it is useful (for forum readers) to know that the article consists of tributes to the two who died.
 

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No issue of offence at all, but I think that it is useful (for forum readers) to know that the article consists of tributes to the two who died.
Thank you. Yes - this article does contain tributes to the deceased and includes video of the passengers relaying information to the BBC. Please also note that this article contains images of the train involved.

-Peter
 

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This may well be not practical, but would it be at all possible to put a receiver in all ear defenders that react to a train in the vicinity. giving an audible warning.
Thinking of small transmitters ( could existing eqpt be modified?) that have a range of a mile or so.

not being railway ,completely blind to any sort of comms used, but if it makes the working evironment safer.
 
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