Waterloo Station Upgrade

swt_passenger · 4 Jul 2019

Part of the medium term plan, (when I mentioned above street level entrances on the York Rd side) is that they do intend to make it much more open through towards the former County Hall area. Problem is that there seems to be an agreement not to commence demolition of Elizabeth House until some later date. The aim is to make that the normal entrance from the north west.

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Helvellyn · 4 Jul 2019

swt_passenger said:
Part of the medium term plan, (when I mentioned above street level entrances on the York Rd side) is that they do intend to make it much more open through towards the former County Hall area. Problem is that there seems to be an agreement not to commence demolition of Elizabeth House until some later date. The aim is to make that the normal entrance from the north west.

Google 'One Waterloo' if anyone wants to see what is currently Elizabeth House and what will replace it.

Meerkat · 5 Jul 2019

Isn’t there a loop of shops at St Pancras that no passengers at all have to walk past?
Shops don’t need literal walk past, just people to be passing through Waterloo who want to go to that brand.

SevenEightNine · 15 Jul 2019

The passageways between Platforms 19 & 20 (Main & former International parts) seemed to be closed on the two occasions I visited Waterloo today.

Not sure if appropriate signage was provided to notify passengers of this; quite a few were puzzled after walking half way down Pl 19.

paok · 16 Jul 2019

SevenEightNine said:
The passageways between Platforms 19 & 20 (Main & former International parts) seemed to be closed on the two occasions I visited Waterloo today.

Not sure if appropriate signage was provided to notify passengers of this; quite a few were puzzled after walking half way down Pl 19.

There are some signs but not obvious. Reason for the closure is escalator refurbishment:

https://twitter.com/LondonWaterloo/status/1149367992159002625

Apologies for the technical problems with the escalators on platforms 20-24 which we are working to resolve. The escalators on platform 20 will be closed from 15 to 30 July for repairs and the access between platforms 19 and 20 will also be closed during this period.

ijmad · 16 Jul 2019

I was able to wander around the Orchestra Pit and undercroft last week. Incredibly poorly signposted at the moment, although I suspect that's deliberate given there's no easy way to get to the tube at the moment given the entrances are still closed, so it's almost useless as an area at the moment.

It's nice and wide and bright but very few people down there obviously. A few security guards but they didn't tell me off for my random walk as others have reported.

I wonder what the hold-up around the tube entrances is?

kev1974 · 17 Jul 2019

paok said:
There are some signs but not obvious. Reason for the closure is escalator refurbishment:

https://twitter.com/LondonWaterloo/status/1149367992159002625

Big red A-frame sign by the set of barriers that lead to platform 19 tonight, mentioning that there is no access to platform 20 that way, so maybe they are listening here

I can't quite work out how work on the Platform 20-24 escalators affects the various connections through to 19 but that does seem to be the reason they're going with. 20 is in use as normal, my train this evening departed from it.

Goldfish62 · 22 Jul 2019

ijmad said:
I wonder what the hold-up around the tube entrances is?

Or the toilets.

I'm wondering now if these won't in fact open until the shops are complete in 2021.

MontyP · 14 Sep 2019

ijmad said:
I was able to wander around the Orchestra Pit and undercroft last week. Incredibly poorly signposted at the moment, although I suspect that's deliberate given there's no easy way to get to the tube at the moment given the entrances are still closed, so it's almost useless as an area at the moment.

It's nice and wide and bright but very few people down there obviously. A few security guards but they didn't tell me off for my random walk as others have reported.

I wonder what the hold-up around the tube entrances is?

Does anyone have an update on this? Seems that this area is still not open for use

moley · 14 Sep 2019

MontyP said:
Does anyone have an update on this? Seems that this area is still not open for use

Perhaps it doesn’t needs to be a fast finish given confirmation that the shops won’t open until Spring 2021.

https://waterloo.london/

ijmad · 15 Sep 2019

I always assumed the new tube route was needed for P20-24 to operate effectively.

I guess not.

swt_passenger · 15 Sep 2019

ijmad said:
I always assumed the new tube route was needed for P20-24 to operate effectively.

I guess not.

It probably would be better, and spread flows to the Bakerloo/Northern out a bit, but I expect the gateline manpower savings mean no change until they are eventually forced to do so...

paok · 25 Sep 2019

swt_passenger said:
It probably would be better, and spread flows to the Bakerloo/Northern out a bit, but I expect the gateline manpower savings mean no change until they are eventually forced to do so...

The stairs from P20-24 down to the Orchestra Pit and the subsequent right turn access down further stairs to the Underground are now open during peak hours. Some using them but lots of people still going on to the concourse or via P19. Nearly everyone in carriages 6-10 now using the escalators down from the platform.

reytomas1228 · 25 Sep 2019

paok said:
The stairs from P20-24 down to the Orchestra Pit and the subsequent right turn access down further stairs to the Underground are now open during peak hours. Some using them but lots of people still going on to the concourse or via P19. Nearly everyone in carriages 6-10 now using the escalators down from the platform.

Do you know whether the lifts down to the Underground level are operational?

paok · 25 Sep 2019

reytomas1228 said:
Do you know whether the lifts down to the Underground level are operational?

Yes, they have been for a while but a few times I have seen them not in service.

traji00 · 25 Sep 2019

reytomas1228 said:
Do you know whether the lifts down to the Underground level are operational?

The lifts are only operational during peak times. When the orchestra pit area is closed, they’re locked out of service.

swt_passenger · 25 Sep 2019

paok said:
The stairs from P20-24 down to the Orchestra Pit and the subsequent right turn access down further stairs to the Underground are now open during peak hours. Some using them but lots of people still going on to the concourse or via P19. Nearly everyone in carriages 6-10 now using the escalators down from the platform.

I thought the route had been open for a while in the peaks only, had it been closed at some point?

Goldfish62 · 25 Sep 2019

paok said:
The stairs from P20-24 down to the Orchestra Pit and the subsequent right turn access down further stairs to the Underground are now open during peak hours. Some using them but lots of people still going on to the concourse or via P19. Nearly everyone in carriages 6-10 now using the escalators down from the platform.

At last! Are the new toilets open as well?

paok · 26 Sep 2019

swt_passenger said:
I thought the route had been open for a while in the peaks only, had it been closed at some point?

Perhaps, everything about this area seems to be shrouded in mystery though.

Goldfish62 said:
At last! Are the new toilets open as well?

No, still gated off.

ijmad · 26 Sep 2019

I've definitely passed through the lower concourse in the peak (although I don't travel through Waterloo regularly), although the underground entrance wasn't open the last time I was there, so that sounds like a development.

Chris999999 · 26 Sep 2019

What is the rush? These former Eurostar platforms have been available for redevelopment for 12 years since the move to St Pancras. Indifference and prevarication is the theme for this development

theironroad · 26 Sep 2019

Chris999999 said:
What is the rush? These former Eurostar platforms have been available for redevelopment for 12 years since the move to St Pancras. Indifference and prevarication is the theme for this development

Haha, about sums it up...

I'm sure once all the high end retail units are open, all that will be history..

Goldfish62 · 30 Oct 2019

The orchestra pit is now fully open, including the new Underground entrance and the rather posh (for Waterloo) new toilets. The toilets aren't that big so obviously supplementing rather than replacing the existing ones.

So that would appear to complete the railway work at Waterloo. Next up is the retail development.

Bessie · 3 Nov 2019

Yes, used it in the Friday morning rush hour. It was very convenient for Bakerloo line and avoided the queues alongside platform 19 entrance.

Goldfish62 · 3 Nov 2019

Bessie said:
Yes, used it in the Friday morning rush hour. It was very convenient for Bakerloo line and avoided the queues alongside platform 19 entrance.

It's a shame it can't be made bi-directional at quieter times. Mind you, I've noticed that some people already do use it coming out of the Underground!

swt_passenger · 3 Nov 2019

Goldfish62 said:
It's a shame it can't be made bi-directional at quieter times. Mind you, I've noticed that some people already do use it coming out of the Underground!

Is that the new underground stairs going down out of the orchestra pit? I always thought they were a bit on the small side. Is it only signed downwards then?

Goldfish62 · 3 Nov 2019

swt_passenger said:
Is that the new underground stairs going down out of the orchestra pit? I always thought they were a bit on the small side. Is it only signed downwards then?

Yes, signed as no exit from the Underground. It's actually a bit wider than it looks.

Very useful short cut indeed to the Underground.

hwl · 3 Nov 2019

Does that mean the lift down from P19-24 level to Orchestra Pit to W&C is not open all day rather than just in the peaks?

swt_passenger · 3 Nov 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Yes, signed as no exit from the Underground. It's actually a bit wider than it looks.

Very useful short cut indeed to the Underground.

Thanks. Haven't been up to Waterloo for a couple of months so getting out of touch with changes...

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