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Brighton to London Underground Zone 1 (4 people)

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Saperstein

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Hi,

Posting on behalf of a friend based in Brighton.

4 adults wan't to travel from Brighton to South Kensington tube and back on 12/7/19.

They don't do a lot of rail travel so none of them hold any sort of railcard. Any point in getting one for this journey?

Whats the best way to do this? I guess with such a short journey there is no splitting available? I couldn't get any of the splitting websites to recognise the journey.

Ideally they would like it all on as few tickets as possible, but obviously if there is a saving they would take that into account.

They will be using the bus in Brighton, so I suggested plus bus and wondered if it was better to get the tube part of it on the same ticket as the train or to use contactless?

Any insights welcome!

Thanks.
 
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Hi,

Posting on behalf of a friend based in Brighton.

4 adults wan't to travel from Brighton to South Kensington tube and back on 12/7/19.

They don't do a lot of rail travel so none of them hold any sort of railcard. Any point in getting one for this journey?

Whats the best way to do this? I guess with such a short journey there is no splitting available? I couldn't get any of the splitting websites to recognise the journey.

Ideally they would like it all on as few tickets as possible, but obviously if there is a saving they would take that into account.

They will be using the bus in Brighton, so I suggested plus bus and wondered if it was better to get the tube part of it on the same ticket as the train or to use contactless?

Any insights welcome!

Thanks.
What times do they want to travel? Are they happy to be fixed to specific trains there and/or back? (As there are Advances available even for this journey.) Are they happy to be bound to travel together by their tickets? Are these adults all aged between 30 and 59 inclusive?
 

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What times do they want to travel? Are they happy to be fixed to specific trains there and/or back? (As there are Advances available even for this journey.) Are they happy to be bound to travel together by their tickets? Are these adults all aged between 30 and 59 inclusive?

Hi @ForTheLoveOf

To answer your questions:

As early as possible I think. I understand off-peak is after 10:00 on that route?

They would probably return late afternoon/early evening. Is there a restriction on the time of the return?

I mentioned advances but they want more flexibility incase they miss one of the services.

They want to travel together.

No not all ages between 30 and 59 inclusive.

Thanks!
 

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A Southern Daysave costs £40.00 and is valid after 1000, but restricted on the way back with no travel between 1615 and 1915.
https://www.southernrailway.com/tickets/ticket-types-explained/daysave

Does any of the party hold contactless debit or credit cards? You could then use these if so for travel between Victoria and South Kensington on the tube.

Thanks @sonic2009 this looks ideal!

Yes, they hold contactless credit cards for the tube.

I cannot see a way to add Plus Bus to this Daysave ticket though, is it possible on the Southern website?

Plus Bus are doing a June & July promotion £2 each if booked online - else Brighton is £3.90 each with no railcard.

www.plusbus.info/offers
 

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As early as possible I think.
How does the 00:04 departure, arriving 01:26, sound then :p :lol:

In all seriousness, on a route like this "as early as possible" is always going to be a question of your assessment of price vs value. It's entirely possible to arrive before the morning rush hour even starts, or during it, but it's down to what you're willing to pay!


I understand off-peak is after 10:00 on that route?
Ha, if only things were that simple! The time restrictions applying to Off-Peak tickets between Brighton and London are many and varied, depending on factors including the direction in which you purchase the ticket, as well as the specific type of ticket you hold.

Looking just at Day Returns, there are five of these available, with two different time restrictions. These are (in descending order of price):

1) Off-Peak Day Return issued to "London Terminals", route "Any Permitted", £31.80. Restriction C0. This is valid on any train from Brighton to any of the permitted London Terminals (Victoria, London Bridge, Blackfriars, City Thameslink, Charing Cross etc.), as long as it arrives at the London Terminal no earlier than 09:50am. It is valid on any train for the return.

2) Off-Peak Day Return issued to "London Victoria", route "Any Permitted", £30.50. Restriction C0. This is the same as above but restricts you to taking trains to and from Victoria only.

3) Super Off-Peak Day Return issued to "London Terminals", route "Not Gatwick Express", £19.40. Restriction PB. This is intended for use on services other than those branded Gatwick Express (i.e. those branded Southern or Thameslink), and is valid on trains arriving into London Terminals at or after 10:55am. It is valid on all trains back except those departing between 16:15 and 19:15 inclusive.

4) Off-Peak Day Return issued to "London Terminals", route "Thameslink only", £18.70. Restriction C0. This has the same time restriction as ticket nos. 1 and 2 but is intended only for use on services branded Thameslink.

5) Super Off-Peak Day Return issued to "London Victoria", route "Not Gatwick Express", £16.80. Restriction PB. Same time restrictions as ticket no. 3 but only intended for use on services branded Southern to London Victoria.

They would probably return late afternoon/early evening. Is there a restriction on the time of the return?
It depends on the ticket type bought - see above!

I mentioned advances but they want more flexibility incase they miss one of the services.
Ok, it's unfortunate that on this route there is no way of cost-effectively buying an Advance in one direction and a flexible ticket in the other (as can be done on a number of other routes). It's a shame because Advances can be very good value for money, starting at (in theory) £5 single.

They want to travel together.
This means they are eligible to use GroupSave discounted tickets. As far as I can tell, this is probably the most cost effective way of buying the tickets in terms of the group discount used.

It may still be worthwhile to split tickets depending on the exact time of travel, but sites like www.trainsplit.com will advise on that. To be frank, the mess of tickets available for this journey as so complex that I think the best thing to do is simply to enter the journey to London Terminals, as well as the number of passengers, and then to play around with different travel times to see which ones provide an acceptable price/time balance.
 

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I don't think there is the option to purchase the discounted PlusBus with the Daysave ticket AFAIK.
 

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Your cheapest option is the Southern DaySave + contactless in London. As the DaySave ticket for 4 adults is £40.00, this works out at £10.00 per adult, plus £4.80 (2*£2.40) for one contactless journey each way from London Victoria to South Kensington. Which makes for a total of £14.80 per person. The earliest you could leave Brighton is 10.03, arriving at Victoria at 11.05. You must travel only on Southern trains (the 10.03 is a Southern train) and you cannot leave Victoria to make your return journey between 16.15 and 19.15.

The next-cheapest option is to get a Thameslink only Travelcard from Brighton to London, using GroupSave. This is £16.25 per person. But it does mean you can leave Brighton at 09.02, getting in to London Bridge at 10.04. You then have a slightly longer (but only a few minutes) journey to South Kensington. This ticket includes (unlimited) tube and bus travel, so your friends may prefer this as it allows a lot more flexibility, all within a fixed price. Best of all, there are no evening restrictions with this ticket - you can travel back on any train from London Bridge (it must be a Thameslink train of course; but they do go every 15 minutes).

You must travel together at all times on the DaySave (though you could split up on the contactless part on London Underground); and you must travel together at all times on the Travelcard, both on the train between Brighton and London, AND on London Underground / buses.

Personally I would pay the extra £1.45 per person and get the Thameslink Travelcard:
- you can leave an hour earlier
- there are no evening return restrictions
- you get unlimited travel in London Zones 1-6 on tube and bus - so if your friends decide they want to do something else / change their plans part way through, they can.

On the downside, the seats are not as comfortable on Thameslink trains as they are on Southern trains, and there are no tables for four (though there are seat flip back tables on some Thameslink trains).

For the return journey, I would advise getting on the Thameslink train somewhere like St Pancras (easily accessible from South Kensington by tube), as there is far more chance of a seat at peak times. After St Pancras, the Thameslink services to Brighton call at Farringdon, City Thameslink, Blackfriars and London Bridge, at all of which they fill up further. Take advantage of the free flexibility of the Travelcard to avoid this being an issue for you.
 

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On the downside, the seats are not as comfortable on Thameslink trains as they are on Southern trains, and there are no tables for four (though there are seat flip back tables on some Thameslink trains).

Are you forgetting declassified 1st?! ;)

The rear 1st class compartment can be used by passengers holding standard class tickets at all times on Thameslink trains.

I agree with everything you say - i’d get the Thameslink Travelcard for the small extra amount.
 

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I did consider the declassified first, but the OP stated that they were not regular rail travellers. That being the case I thought it best not to complicate things further - there’s quite a lot to remember already, and you need to be confident you are in the right section of 1st for it to be declassified. I wouldn’t want their day out to be stressed unnecessarily, which it might be by adding this on. Especially as there is no guard to ask permission from on these trains.
 

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I did consider the declassified first, but the OP stated that they were not regular rail travellers. That being the case I thought it best not to complicate things further - there’s quite a lot to remember already, and you need to be confident you are in the right section of 1st for it to be declassified. I wouldn’t want their day out to be stressed unnecessarily, which it might be by adding this on. Especially as there is no guard to ask permission from on these trains.

True. Not a bad shout!
 

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Your cheapest option is the Southern DaySave + contactless in London. As the DaySave ticket for 4 adults is £40.00, this works out at £10.00 per adult, plus £4.80 (2*£2.40) for one contactless journey each way from London Victoria to South Kensington. Which makes for a total of £14.80 per person. The earliest you could leave Brighton is 10.03, arriving at Victoria at 11.05. You must travel only on Southern trains (the 10.03 is a Southern train) and you cannot leave Victoria to make your return journey between 16.15 and 19.15.

The next-cheapest option is to get a Thameslink only Travelcard from Brighton to London, using GroupSave. This is £16.25 per person. But it does mean you can leave Brighton at 09.02, getting in to London Bridge at 10.04. You then have a slightly longer (but only a few minutes) journey to South Kensington. This ticket includes (unlimited) tube and bus travel, so your friends may prefer this as it allows a lot more flexibility, all within a fixed price. Best of all, there are no evening restrictions with this ticket - you can travel back on any train from London Bridge (it must be a Thameslink train of course; but they do go every 15 minutes).

You must travel together at all times on the DaySave (though you could split up on the contactless part on London Underground); and you must travel together at all times on the Travelcard, both on the train between Brighton and London, AND on London Underground / buses.

Personally I would pay the extra £1.45 per person and get the Thameslink Travelcard:
- you can leave an hour earlier
- there are no evening return restrictions
- you get unlimited travel in London Zones 1-6 on tube and bus - so if your friends decide they want to do something else / change their plans part way through, they can.

On the downside, the seats are not as comfortable on Thameslink trains as they are on Southern trains, and there are no tables for four (though there are seat flip back tables on some Thameslink trains).

For the return journey, I would advise getting on the Thameslink train somewhere like St Pancras (easily accessible from South Kensington by tube), as there is far more chance of a seat at peak times. After St Pancras, the Thameslink services to Brighton call at Farringdon, City Thameslink, Blackfriars and London Bridge, at all of which they fill up further. Take advantage of the free flexibility of the Travelcard to avoid this being an issue for you.
Obviously, travelling on Thameslink you'd get off at Blackfriars if travelling to South Kensington, not London Bridge.
As well as tube and bus, you also get unlimited travel within zones 1-6 on National Rail - so can still change at East Croydon for Southern services to Victoria. The ticket is only restricted to Thameslink services outside the Travelcard zones.
 

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Obviously, travelling on Thameslink you'd get off at Blackfriars if travelling to South Kensington, not London Bridge.
As well as tube and bus, you also get unlimited travel within zones 1-6 on National Rail - so can still change at East Croydon for Southern services to Victoria. The ticket is only restricted to Thameslink services outside the Travelcard zones.
Both good points.
 

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Hi,

Thanks for all the replies and info! I passed this on at the time and have just been contacted to ask if the DaySave ticket can be bought in advance from a booking office?

Thanks!

Saperstein
 

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Hi,

Thanks for all the replies and info! I passed this on at the time and have just been contacted to ask if the DaySave ticket can be bought in advance from a booking office?

Thanks!

Saperstein
Railrover has the details as usual, but the Southern DaySave ticket can only be bought online on Southern's website, or at the tourist information centres at Eastbourne, Lewes, Seaford or Hastings. If you buy it online you can pick it up at any ticket machine (it claims it's only at Southern TVMs but this is not the case in my experience - I have picked them up at several other companies' TVMs).

If you're after the Thameslink DaySave this can only be bought in person, at Brighton One Stop Travel, the Brighton Visitor Information Point at the Brighton Centre Box Office, the Dunstable Tourist Information Centre or the Luton Tourist Information Centre.
 

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Railrover has the details as usual, but the Southern DaySave ticket can only be bought online on Southern's website, or at the tourist information centres at Eastbourne, Lewes, Seaford or Hastings. If you buy it online you can pick it up at any ticket machine (it claims it's only at Southern TVMs but this is not the case in my experience - I have picked them up at several other companies' TVMs).

If you're after the Thameslink DaySave this can only be bought in person, at Brighton One Stop Travel, the Brighton Visitor Information Point at the Brighton Centre Box Office, the Dunstable Tourist Information Centre or the Luton Tourist Information Centre.

OK, thanks @ForTheLoveOf I’ll pass the info along.

Saperstein.
 

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.... the Southern DaySave ticket can only be bought online on Southern's website, or at the tourist information centres at Eastbourne, Lewes, Seaford or Hastings..

I'm pretty sure the one-stop travel shop in Brighton (26 North St) will also sell Southern DaySave.
 

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Railrover has the details as usual, but the Southern DaySave ticket can only be bought online on Southern's website, or at the tourist information centres at Eastbourne, Lewes, Seaford or Hastings. If you buy it online you can pick it up at any ticket machine (it claims it's only at Southern TVMs but this is not the case in my experience - I have picked them up at several other companies' TVMs).

If you're after the Thameslink DaySave this can only be bought in person, at Brighton One Stop Travel, the Brighton Visitor Information Point at the Brighton Centre Box Office, the Dunstable Tourist Information Centre or the Luton Tourist Information Centre.


The Luton Tourist Information Centre has been closed for a few years now. Thameslink DaySave tickets can be bought at the Arriva Travel Centre in the Starbucks Coffee Shop opposite Luton Station in Station Road. They are officially £22, but they may well still be using up old stock at £20. As the price and payment method (M) is pre-printed, they can only be bought with cash.
 

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The Luton Tourist Information Centre has been closed for a few years now. Thameslink DaySave tickets can be bought at the Arriva Travel Centre in the Starbucks Coffee Shop opposite Luton Station in Station Road. They are officially £22, but they may well still be using up old stock at £20. As the price and payment method (M) is pre-printed, they can only be bought with cash.
Thank you - I was just copying the details from Railrover so you may wish to alert them that their information could do with an update.
 
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