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Season ticket Chester to Manchester - all routes?

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leejayd

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The season ticket for Chester to Manchester is £77/week for all routes. I was wondering what this means in practice i.e. from Chester, I can go to Manchester via Liverpool, Crewe, Mid-cheshire line, Fast line through warrington, line through to Victoria. Taking it too extreme, I can travel via Euston !.

Does anyone know what 'all routes' actually means?
 
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alistairlees

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Hi,

The season ticket for Chester to Manchester is £77/week for all routes. I was wondering what this means in practice i.e. from Chester, I can go to Manchester via Liverpool, Crewe, Mid-cheshire line, Fast line through warrington, line through to Victoria. Taking it too extreme, I can travel via Euston !.

Does anyone know what 'all routes' actually means?
Via permitted routes. I doubt that Liverpool is a permitted route, but someone will be along shortly to help. Via Warrington, and via Knutsford, are both fine. Obviously via London isn’t.
 

ForTheLoveOf

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Hi,

The season ticket for Chester to Manchester is £77/week for all routes. I was wondering what this means in practice i.e. from Chester, I can go to Manchester via Liverpool, Crewe, Mid-cheshire line, Fast line through warrington, line through to Victoria. Taking it too extreme, I can travel via Euston !.

Does anyone know what 'all routes' actually means?
If you have a ticket routed "Any Permitted" then you can take:

1) Any direct train;
2) Any train(s) along the shortest rail-only route, or any route no more than 3 miles longer than this; and
3) Any train(s) along the "mapped routes".

For the first, that's pretty self-explanatory.

For the second, the shortest rail-only route is via Warrington Bank Quay and Earlestown, at 40.69 miles (to Piccadilly, that is - the mileage to Victoria etc. is different, but it is the shortest route for all Manchester Stations). However, it is shorter than this to take the route via Warrington Bank Quay, walk to Central, and then onto Manchester via Irlam, so that is also a permitted route. There are no other routes I can see that are within 3 miles of this length.

For the third, the mapped routes are broadly speaking via Warrington Bank Quay and Earlestown, via Warrington Bank Quay and Central, via Altrincham and Stockport, via Crewe and East Didsbury (whether via Manchester Airport or not), and via Crewe and Stockport.

The easiest way to find out whether a route you want to take is a permitted route, is to try to get the route up on National Rail Enquiries and to see whether you're offered one through ticket with the same route (Any Permitted) as the ticket you hold. If you are offered this then it is a permitted route. Note that for some non-permitted routes, National Rail Enquiries will offer a combination of tickets. In almost all cases, this means that it is not a permitted route for a through ticket.
 
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Any Permitted is the term you are making reference to. So you can use Any Permitted Route as per the National Rail Routing Guide. You can also use any direct train between the stations on the ticket if it is a direct service. I am sure others will be along shortly who have been able to look up the different routes you can take in the routing guide.
 

JB_B

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Does anyone know what 'all routes' actually means?

The attached pdfs should give you a rough idea of what 'mapped routes' (shown in red) mean for journeys on route:'Any Permitted' tickets (like your season ticket) from Chester (CTR) to Manchester Group.

It's true, unfortunately, that front-line rail staff sometimes make mistakes about routeing and validity - not usually through any fault of their own. I think it would be good customer service if the rail industry provided indicative maps of a ticket's validity whenever a flexibly routed ticket is sold.

( In the pdfs I've not been able to take account of any positive or negative easements which might affect the routes you can use - you can check those here: http://iblocks-rg-publication.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/easement_text.pdf )
 

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kieron

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The season ticket for Chester to Manchester is £77/week for all routes. I was wondering what this means in practice
A Chester-Manchester ticket doesn't let you travel via Liverpool. If you're interested, there are some quite similar tickets which cover some of the routes that way.
 

ForTheLoveOf

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Can I buy a season ticket to cover me from Travel : Chester - Manchester via Liverpool?
Yes, but it will cost you more than a Chester-Liverpool season ticket - e.g. you could buy an Ellesmere Port to Manchester season, costing £86.90 a week, and this would cover travel for all permitted routes from Chester as well as permitting travel via Liverpool.
 
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