Fuel is available at Barrow. If the working week was composed solely of weekdays (Mons-Fris) the routine would be Newton Heath - one night Allerton -one night Liverpool Lime Street (I'll stand corrected on that one) - one night Preston Croft Street Sidings - three nights Barrow - back to Newton Heath. Of course, before a unit has made it all the way around the circuit a weekend comes along, and then units stay away from Newton Heath for even longer.
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Fuel is available at Barrow. If the working week was composed solely of weekdays (Mons-Fris) the routine would be Newton Heath - one night Allerton -one night Liverpool Lime Street (I'll stand corrected on that one) - one night Preston Croft Street Sidings - three nights Barrow - back to Newton Heath. Of course, before a unit has made it all the way around the circuit a weekend comes along, and then units stay away from Newton Heath for even longer.
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195121 On 07-25 Man Airport Barrow
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Anyone have a clue when these will come East?
It passed me at Picadilly just after 10am on the 0949 Man Airport to Liverpool was sure it was 195114 but will stand corrected. I was on 195120 at the time. Anybody know which 195 it was on this service?
Just had it confirmed it was 195117, apologies for the confusion my eyes let me down.
Definitely circuit two - I caught it from Picc to Windermere earlier.
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195118 was on 1H45 1016 Liverpool LS - Manchester Airport today. That service doesn't appear on the published list
I think it was 156455 (going purely from memory when it passed me at Wigan this morning) if anyone really wants to know.
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Mon-Thurs - 1F96 2105 arrival works 5F94 2112 to Allerton depot.
Friday Only - 1F96 2105 arrival stables to work the 0337 Man Airport on the Saturday morning**.
Saturday - 1F97 0005 arrival works 5F97 0012 to Allerton depot.
** Note - this is it's booked working. However there are still drivers yet to be trained on the 195 units so inevitably unit swaps will occour.
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195117 On the 18-50 Man Airport Liverpool tonight
I've had
156426 on 1F94 1950 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street
195116 on 1H44 1915 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport
195117 on 1H45 2016 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport
No sign of 195118 this evening but I think a round trip was missed earlier.
I assume that 1C50 2210 Manchester Airport to Barrow-in-Furness (which I should travel on from the airport) will be a single unit rather than the units on Circuit 1 and Circuit 2 joined up.
156426 on 1F94 1950 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street
195116 on 1H44 1915 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport
195117 on 1H45 2016 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport
No sign of 195118 this evening but I think a round trip was missed earlier.
I assume that 1C50 2210 Manchester Airport to Barrow-in-Furness (which I should travel on from the airport) will be a single unit rather than the units on Circuit 1 and Circuit 2 joined up.
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That’s a booked 195 turn. Starts with 03:37 Airport, 05:51 Airport-Liverpool etc etc.
Incidentally 118 failed with brake release issues later in the day.
Usually a single unit, yes.
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Booked 2 195’s Saturday.
Interesting. Is that new? Or has it been booked as 2 x 158 in the past?
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It’s the first Saturday of the 195’s, so don’t know what is happening in reality, but on paper it’s booked to be 2.
You were almost right - two (return) trips were missed earlier, 1316 & 1616 ex-Lime Street, 1450 & 1750 ex-Airport. Here's the reason, according to HotelNovember:
195118 looks to have made its way back to Allerton as 5Z85, 1508 (actual 1521) ex-Lime Street. Presumably replaced by 195116, but I haven't been able to find a relevant empty stock movement.
A train fails in a platform (at a terminal station!) and it takes six hours to sort the situation out.
Presumably comes from Barrow as a double too - as 1Y91, 1934 ex-Barrow. There's a small typo in the list of duties, there's no 1943 ex-Barrow.
Thanks for the info. I'd been taking notice of platform numbers, which, of course, aren't always right. They sometimes get corrected when the relevant trains actually depart, sometimes not.
Yes, and in practice it is 2 units - it just seemed a bit improbable.
However, the rear unit has been locked out in both directions resulting in a delay at Manchester Airport while the guard unlocks 195114 (rear unit from Barrow) and locks up 195120 (rear unit from the Airport). Presumably there is some discretion to unlock the rear unit at Manchester Piccadilly or Oxford Road if there was a major event on. Otherwise seems to me to be a shocking waste of fuel. It is non-stop Oxford Road to Preston in both directions.
195114+195120 1C50 2210 Manchester Airport to Barrow-in-Furness.
Is locking out a unit like this at absolute discretion of the guard or does it need to be specified on the guard's diagram?
Jonathan H, are you still on 1C50? If so, what has ensued?
No, only rode to Piccadilly. Didn't seem particularly busy on the platform. The train was advertised as 6 coaches on the departure boards at both Airport and Piccadilly so perhaps not officially 'front train only.
I'm afraid that the screens would have shown 'six carriages' irrespective of whether or not all were available for public use. In the days when a Class 319 was transported from Allerton Depot to Manchester Victoria (and back, at the end of the day), on the back of an in-service 319, and the rear unit was unavailable for public use (not least, because the formation was too long for many of the station platforms en route), the information screens always, absolutely always, stated: 'This Train Is Formed Of Eight Carriages'. It would have been helpful, of course, if the message had read something like 'Please Use The Front Four Carriages Only', but that is not how things are done, the train is six-car, eight-car, or whatever, because from a signalling viewpoint, that's what it is.
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