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This summer my son and I are going well outside of our comfort zone on a trip to Berlin. We fly to Tegel and are staying at Karlshorst for three days (Tues - Thurs). We arrive early and I assume we will make our way into the city centre almost straight away. My son is into any kind of transport so we will be getting day tickets to travel around on the buses / trams / trains to see what we find.

Has anyone got any tips / advice of what to see. His main interest at the moment is buses but trams and trains will also get a look in. I also assume that freight traffic might be high around the city.

Any advice gratefully received, Andy S
 
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Have a look at these threads which gives lots of advice on what there is to see and do in Berlin:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/berlin-recommendations.169482/

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/berlin.127155/

With regards to travelling around your best bet will be a Berlin "ABC" ticket which covers a very wide area:

https://www.berlin.de/en/public-transportation/1772016-2913840-tickets-fares-and-route-maps.en.html

Berlin is divided into three tariff zones: AB, BC und ABC. Tariff zone AB includes the urban area to the city boundary. Zone ABC additionally includes Berlin's surrounding area and Potsdam Hauptbahnhof.
 
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I'll repeat my recomendations for the Woltersdorfer Straßenbahn with its Gotha four-wheelers from the 1950s and 1960s and the Schöneiche-Rüdersdorfer Straßenbahn, especially as both systems are just a couple of stations away from Karlshorst on the S3.

For the bus enthusiasts, there is one heritage bus in regular service on the line 218 (timetable available at https://www.traditionsbus.de/linie_218.htm).
The bus line 100 is also a great way to see the "normal sights" and if you board at Hertzallee (hidden behind Zoo station), you will beat the crowds and get a good seat.
 

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Those tickets are indeed great value, and the area covered by them is pretty large.

If you're into old trams: take a look at the Woltersdorfer Straßenbahn. The line starts at Rahnsdorf Bahnhof (reachable by S-Bahn line S3) and runs into Woltersdorf. If you've got a ABC ticket, you can ride on the Woltersdorfer tramway. It is still operated with tramway vehicles built in the 1960s :)
 

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A ride on line RE1, formed of Double Decker stock through the centre of Berlin (also hauled by a Siemens Eurosprinter locomotive)
 

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Those tickets are indeed great value, and the area covered by them is pretty large.

If you're into old trams: take a look at the Woltersdorfer Straßenbahn. The line starts at Rahnsdorf Bahnhof (reachable by S-Bahn line S3) and runs into Woltersdorf. If you've got a ABC ticket, you can ride on the Woltersdorfer tramway. It is still operated with tramway vehicles built in the 1960s :)

+1 another vote for Woltersdorf.
 

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When I flew into Tegal airport a couple of years ago, there was a Berlin Transport kiosk, that sold many types of ticket, so maybe valid on the airport bus to the city centre, as well as the local buses. I did the latter, then connected with a tram onto the area in the east where I was staying.
 

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When I flew into Tegal airport a couple of years ago, there was a Berlin Transport kiosk, that sold many types of ticket, so maybe valid on the airport bus to the city centre, as well as the local buses. I did the latter, then connected with a tram onto the area in the east where I was staying.
The TXL "express" services (Tegel-Hauptbahnhof) are operated by BVG and fully integrated to the VBB system. This is also the case for the X9 (towards Zoologischer Garten) and the various 1xx lines that serve Tegel (towards local U-Bahn station etc.).

Thus everyone trying to convice anyone to buy something more expensive than the regular AB (or ABC) fare should be counted as a scammer and ignored. There should be plenty of TVMs near the bus stops.

Besides the 218 (a MUST DO), I can also recommend the ferries included in the VBB system, e.g. F10 from Wannsee to Kladow (which can be perfectly combined with the 218) (https://www.bvg.de/de/Fahrinfo#tab-list-0-f).
 

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I've posted in both the linked threads.
Only things to add:
I have now "done" the semi-rural overland 68 from Köpenick to Alt-Schmöckvitz, the 61 along the Müggelsee, and part of the Rudersdorf line; the latter still has some interesting stock, the others are pleasant.
Staying in Karlshorst you are well sited for the Parkeisenbahn as well.
 

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The TXL "express" services (Tegel-Hauptbahnhof) are operated by BVG and fully integrated to the VBB system. This is also the case for the X9 (towards Zoologischer Garten) and the various 1xx lines that serve Tegel (towards local U-Bahn station etc.).

Thus everyone trying to convice anyone to buy something more expensive than the regular AB (or ABC) fare should be counted as a scammer and ignored. There should be plenty of TVMs near the bus stops.

Besides the 218 (a MUST DO), I can also recommend the ferries included in the VBB system, e.g. F10 from Wannsee to Kladow (which can be perfectly combined with the 218) (https://www.bvg.de/de/Fahrinfo#tab-list-0-f).

Just to note that a Zones ABC ticket is not valid on long distance Intercity/Intercity Express services, although it is valid on every Regional Express/Regional/S-Bahn/U-Bahn train in the zones.
I agree it is the best value ticket for transport in the Berlin area
 

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front seats on the top deck of the double deck buses are great for sight seeing, however buses 100 & 200 which run from Zoo Station to Alexander Platz are far too busy. There's a Tube roundel on one of the platforms at U-Wittenbergplatz, see my profile pic ;). S-Nordbahnhof has a number of photographs of time behind the Berlin Wall and how the U-bahn & S-bahn coped. There's a memorial to the transported jews at S-Grunewald
 

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Karlshorst is very near the Volkspark Wuhlheide which contains a miniature railway - I've never been, mainly because I've always been treated with terrible weather when I've been to Berlin, but it could be worth a look, and it looks like a good park with interesting things to do.

Round there is quite an interesting area generally - not exactly picturesque, but interesting Soviet era architecture if that's your kind of thing. Plenty to see from the tram that goes along Treskowallee.
 

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The ticket referred to on this thread is the Welcome Card. You can get yourself one of these from the kiosk at the airport - they’re great:

https://www.visitberlin.de/en/berlin-welcome-card

The AB card covers Tegel. The ABC card covers Tegel and Schönefeld. Only validate the ticket once when you first use it (I did it just after purchasing and before boarding the bus at the airport when I visited last month). They also come with a tourist guide book that includes some good discounts.
 

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The WelcomeCard also gives discounts with a lot of tourist attractions in the city. If you're not interested in that, the CityTourCard is an alternative which is a little bit cheaper - and still gives discounts to tourist attractions, but only a few.

Most of the public transport in Berlin is operated by BVG, with the exception of the S-Bahn (which is DB) and some regional trains (other operators). All of them accept the same tickets though. For prices and ticket information, take a look on the BVG website.
 

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The ticket referred to on this thread is the Welcome Card. You can get yourself one of these from the kiosk at the airport - they’re great:

https://www.visitberlin.de/en/berlin-welcome-card

The AB card covers Tegel. The ABC card covers Tegel and Schönefeld. Only validate the ticket once when you first use it (I did it just after purchasing and before boarding the bus at the airport when I visited last month). They also come with a tourist guide book that includes some good discounts.
Just to clarify: AFAIK contributors on this thread were talking about the Tageskarte (day ticket) which costs EUR7.70 for zones ABC. The Welcome Card is EUR23 for 48 hours, EUR32 for 72 hours.
 

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When you get to tegel, find the public transport office - its by the bus stops. They can sell you day tickets. They will also give you a public transport map of berlin - free
On other days you can buy an all day ticket at machines. They have a credit card keypad but I have always paid cash. You can change the display to be in English.

Get a Euro pre-payment card. I have a fairfx one. I can top it up online, and pull cash from ATM's. cheaper than using your UK debit card. I suppose I can use it in shops etc but never have.

https://www.berlin.de/en/public-transportation/ is good too

Wear good shoes. lots of stairs to climb up and down. Few stations have escalators, so you will be up and down stairs a lot!.

buses are quite rare. they only seem to fill in where there is no s-bahn, U-bahn or tram.

Be careful in some parts of the city at night. Neukoln especially. But people have been attacked on public transport.

See how they are getting on with the new U-Bahn route from brandenburg gate to Alexanderplatz U55/U5 link
Get an S-bahn train from zoo to Warschauer strasse. There are some nice little stations on there. My favourite is Hackescher markt but Bellevue is nice too

go to Warschauer strasse U-bahn. Its an overhead railway. Again some nice stations, and a nice rooftop view. Plunges underground I think after Nollendorfplatz

Eberswalder strasse is nice. U-bahn trains change from underground to elevated there. Lots of trams there too. get one to Nordbanhof - it passes a long stretch of restored Berlin Wall

Tram trips through N berlin are interesting. Lots of DDR tenements.

Take the train to Brandenburg. Nice small town. Double decker loco push pull. Aircon if its hot!

Non train stuff
Do a river trip (They go from near Hautbanhof). Note the pock marks in the canalised river banks. the fighting at the end of WW2 was savage.

Go to Treptower Park. Its on the S-Bahn. Look for the russian WW2 cemetary/memorial. Thought provoking communist architecture.

Get a S-Bahn to Tiergarten. Walk through Tiergarten park. There is a small cafe by the big Prussian memorial in case you need beer/coke/coffee etc half way. When you get to Brandenburg Gate (Brandenburger Tor {Tor = gate} ) look for the row of cobbles in the street where the wall used to run. You can now just walk over it now but for much of my lifetime you couldnt. Have wurst and chips in Unter den Linden because you can now, but for a long time you couldn't.

The row of cobbles follows much of the route of the wall, with a plaque saying Beliner Mauer every so often. Once i walked from Ostbanhof to Postdammerplatz along the wall route. I found the memorial to Peter Fechter in Zimmerstrasse. he was shot in the pelvis and left to bleed out screaming in agony. 17th August 1962

if you get off the beaten track, you may find small plaques set in the pavement by doorways to blocks of flats. names of people and dates. They are the names of people who disappeared during WW2. Google stolperstein (trip-stone)

sorry to bring up some of the disturbing history of Berlin, but the divided city fascinated me. I have family there now so I have been taken to places off the usual tourist trail.

ß means double s. Strasse can also be spelled straße.

Hope helps
 

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I was non-plussed on my last trip to Berlin by the early closure of U-bahn U2.
I went to the opera, so used Deutsche Oper U-bahn station, right outside the theatre.
Finishing around 2215, we found the station bolted and barred, which seems far too early to close (it was a Tuesday in October).
So I did "recalculating route" and walked to the S-bahn station at Charlottenburg, where fortunately the trains were still running.
It's possible the closure was for planned engineering work, but I didn't see any notices about early closure.
The same thing happened to me in Naples the following year (different opera house/opera!), but it seems the Naples metro regularly shuts down early.
That cost me a €15 taxi fare for a just couple of stops on the metro.
 

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Could you not have walked to Bismarkstr. (U2/U7 interchange) which may also have given further clues to what was happening with the U2?

Was there no bus alternative in Naples?
 

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Could you not have walked to Bismarkstr. (U2/U7 interchange) which may also have given further clues to what was happening with the U2?
Was there no bus alternative in Naples?

I wasn't hanging around Naples city centre looking for a bus after 2300!
In Berlin I followed the herd after they sized up the U2 situation.
I'm not actually very brave in strange cities after dark, when the unexpected happens.
 
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