ScotRail "Inter7City" HST Diagrams

DarloRich · 9 Jul 2019

cactustwirly said:
GWR had 2 seating layouts when the HSTs were refurbished about 10 years ago, low density for West of England services and High Density for services via Swindon.
ScotRail only took on the former sets, which have more tables per coach, and therefore less seating capacity.

I am on one now that has a half first/half second class carriage. I thought they were the high density layouts.

In any event it has caused a massive flap with the trolley lady!

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jingsmonty · 10 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
I am on one now that has a half first/half second class carriage. I thought they were the high density layouts.

In any event it has caused a massive flap with the trolley lady!

There's no composite coaches on the Scotrail Classic sets that I'm aware of. There's a mixture of low & high density standard class trailers kicking about on tbe Classic sets though. One has 2 tables per coach, the other has 4

jingsmonty · 10 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
are they interchangeable in service with the "intercity 7" style trains? ( TBH i didn't realise Scotrail had taken un refurbished units!)

No they aren't, as the unrefurbished Classic coaches don't have the Traction Interlocking equipment that the Inter7City refurbished coaches do. Same goes for the unrefurbished power cars too - they can't work with the power door coaches, for the same reason.

Same set up as the GWR 'Castle' short sets. Some are refurbished power door stock, some aren't

Highlandspring · 10 Jul 2019

jingsmonty said:
There's no composite coaches on the Scotrail Classic sets that I'm aware of.

There is one composite in the fleet, 46010, which is currently marshalled in HA32.

DarloRich · 10 Jul 2019

jingsmonty said:
There's no composite coaches on the Scotrail Classic sets that I'm aware of. There's a mixture of low & high density standard class trailers kicking about on tbe Classic sets though. One has 2 tables per coach, the other has 4

Highlandspring said:
There is one composite in the fleet, 46010, which is currently marshalled in HA32.

Which I must have been sat in yesterday from Aberdeen then.

jingsmonty said:
No they aren't, as the unrefurbished Classic coaches don't have the Traction Interlocking equipment that the Inter7City refurbished coaches do. Same goes for the unrefurbished power cars too - they can't work with the power door coaches, for the same reason.

Same set up as the GWR 'Castle' short sets. Some are refurbished power door stock, some aren't

Sorry I meant as in do they work the same services. However your response is interesting amd much better than my question!

jingsmonty · 10 Jul 2019

Highlandspring said:
There is one composite in the fleet, 46010, which is currently marshalled in HA32.

Cheers for the info - I didn't realise that, I've not seen HA32 yet

jingsmonty · 10 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
Which I must have been sat in yesterday from Aberdeen then.

Sorry I meant as in do they work the same services. However your response is interesting amd much better than my question!

No worries! As far as I'm aware, they ARE interchangeable - they don't have separate diagrams, as such. A refurbished set turned up in Inverness to work 1B54 the other day (1554 to Edinburgh Waverley). I was on the same working Yesterday, but it was a Classic set.

Highlandspring · 10 Jul 2019

jingsmonty said:
No worries! As far as I'm aware, they ARE interchangeable - they don't have separate diagrams, as such.

They do have seperate and specific diagrams for both fleets but everything is mixed up at the moment entirely depending on availability.

jingsmonty · 11 Jul 2019

Highlandspring said:
They do have seperate and specific diagrams for both fleets but everything is mixed up at the moment entirely depending on availability.

That must be something that Control do - our diagrams just state "HST/4C". Disappointed I missed out on a refurbished set on 1B54 on Monday - I had that job on Tuesday, but it was a Classic. Not really complaining - at least it wasn't a 170

SWTrainspottin · 19 Oct 2019

Thought I'd try and get the OP updated with the current - are they any diagrams I can add / remove to the OP? Many thanks for any replies.

SWTrainspottin · 7 Dec 2019

May try and post diagrams for the ScotRail HSTs daily due to the change in them daily. Will start this now.

ScotRail HSTs: 7 December

43033 - HA20 - 43132
1T98 0845 Inverness - Perth
1H15 1617 Perth - Inverness
1B44 1845 Inverness - Edinburgh

43175 - HA21 - 43183
1T10 0735 Aberdeen - Perth
1A53 0945 Perth - Aberdeen
1T22 1247 Aberdeen - Perth
1A67 1440 Perth - Aberdeen
1T40 1739 Aberdeen - Perth
1A87 1945 Perth - Aberdeen
1H43 2200 Aberdeen - Inverness

43169 - HA25 43181
1T06 0539 Aberdeen - Perth
1H05 0811 Perth - Inverness
1A50 1102 Inverness - Aberdeen
1H33 1338 Aberdeen - Inverness
1A58 1713 Inverness - Aberdeen
1H41 2014 Aberdeen - Inverness

43003 - HA32 - 43146
1A41 0530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B18 0904 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A75 1230 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B40 1602 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A88 1934 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

(with thanks to gen from Facebook groups)

SWTrainspottin · 11 Dec 2019

11 December

43030 - HA03 - 43163
1B14 0453 Inverness - Edinburgh
1A71 1132 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T34 1538 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street
1A87 1840 Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen
1H43 2200 Aberdeen - Inverness

43015 - HA05 - 43130
1H05 0811 Perth - Inverness
1A50 1102 Inverness - Aberdeen
1H33 1338 Aberdeen - Inverness
1A58 1713 Inverness - Aberdeen

43175 - HA21 - 43183
1A44 0600 Inverness - Aberdeen
1T12 0849 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street
1A61 1139 Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen
1T32 1442 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street
1A83 1740 Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen
1B42 2107 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

43032 - HA22 - 43152
1A51 0908 Dundee - Aberdeen
1T18 1046 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street
1A67 1339 Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen
1T40 1739 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street
1A91 2040 Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen

43131 - HA23 - 43151
1A41 0530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B18 0904 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A75 1230 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B40 1602 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A88 1934 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

43181 - HA25 - 43169
1T98 0845 Inverness - Glasgow Queen Street
1H15 1508 Glasgow Queen Street - Inverness
1B44 1854 Inverness - Edinburgh

43146 - HA32 - 43003
1T06 0539 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen Street (cancelled at Perth)
1H51 1208 Glasgow Queen Street - Inverness
1B54 1554 Inverness - Edinburgh
1H19 1941 Edinburgh - Inverness

InOban · 11 Dec 2019

How many of these would be refurbs and how many Classics?

hexagon789 · 11 Dec 2019

InOban said:
How many of these would be refurbs and how many Classics?

HA 18 to HA 26 are refurb sets, so that would be 4 Refurbs & 3 Classics

InOban · 11 Dec 2019

Thanks that information.

hexagon789 · 11 Dec 2019

InOban said:
Thanks that information.

You can find updated set formations on the scot-rail site

43096 · 12 Dec 2019

So another day of appalling service delivery from ScotRail. Think the Engineering Director has some explaining to do as to why her organisation is incapable of delivering the service.

I would actually be in favour of the five 170s going to EMR going now so it removes an easy get out. Might focus minds on delivering trains into service.

mcmad · 12 Dec 2019

43096 said:
So another day of appalling service delivery from ScotRail. Think the Engineering Director has some explaining to do as to why her organisation is incapable of delivering the service.

I would actually be in favour of the five 170s going to EMR going now so it removes an easy get out. Might focus minds on delivering trains into service.

How many HST's are out today? Not seen anything on the facebook page.

43096 · 12 Dec 2019

mcmad said:
How many HST's are out today? Not seen anything on the facebook page.

Seven, I believe.

SWTrainspottin · 13 Dec 2019

13 December 2019

43177 - HA02 - 43139
1A41 / 1B18 / 1A75 / 1B40 / 1A88

43015 - HA05 - 43130
1H07 / 1B31 / 1H17

43140 - HA18 - 43150
1B14 / 1A71 / 1T34 / 1A87 / 1H43

43132 - HA20 - 43033
1T08 / 1A57 / 1B35 / 1A81 / 1T54

43032 - HA22 - 43152
1T06 / 1H51 / 1B54 / 1H19

43181 - HA25 - 43169
1B07 / 1A55 / 1B32 / 1A79 / 1B51

43146 - HA32 - 43003
1A51 / 1T18 / 1A67 / 1T40 / 1A91

hexagon789 · 13 Dec 2019

SWTrainspottin said:
13 December 2019

43177 - HA02 - 43139
1A41 / 1B18 / 1A75 / 1B40 / 1A88

43015 - HA05 - 43130
1H07 / 1B31 / 1H17

43140 - HA18 - 43150
1B14 / 1A71 / 1T34 / 1A87 / 1H43

43132 - HA20 - 43033
1T08 / 1A57 / 1B35 / 1A81 / 1T54

43032 - HA22 - 43152
1T06 / 1H51 / 1B54 / 1H19

43181 - HA25 - 43169
1B07 / 1A55 / 1B32 / 1A79 / 1B51

43146 - HA32 - 43003
1A51 / 1T18 / 1A67 / 1T40 / 1A91

4 Refurbs and 3 Classics again, the consistency is starting to appear

InOban · 13 Dec 2019

We know one refurb is at Brodie's. What are the others doing?

SWTrainspottin · 16 Dec 2019

Inter7City diagrams - 16 December

43177 - HA02 - 43139
1B07 / 1A55 / 1B32 / 1A79 / 1T48

43035 - HA06 - 43179
1A51 / 1T18 / 1A67 / 1T40 / 1A91

43140 - HA18 - 43150
1T06 / 1H51 / 1B54 / 1H19

43175 - HA21 - 43012
1T10 / 1A59 / 1T26 / 1A77 / 1B51

43032 - HA22 - 43152
1A41 / 1B18 / 1A75 / 1B40 / 1A88

43131 - HA23 - 43126
1B14 / 1A71 / 1T34 / 1A87 / 1H43

43168 - HA24 - 43141
1T98 / 1H15 / 1B44

43146 - HA32 - 43003
1H23 / 1B52 / 1H13 / 1T62

hooky3 · 16 Dec 2019

glad to see that 1B52 and 1H13 are back to being operated by an HST, much needed capacity on those services.

BRX · 16 Dec 2019

The diagrams on the first page of this thread no longer apply - is that right?

(I mean apart from the substitution issues, the new timetable means that it's all changed)

SWTrainspottin · 16 Dec 2019

BRX said:
The diagrams on the first page of this thread no longer apply - is that right?

(I mean apart from the substitution issues, the new timetable means that it's all changed)

They're most likely outdated now, but there's still not a set amount of sets out for ScotRail at this time. If there are any new booked diagrams that started in the new timetable today and I am made aware of them, then I will add them.

BRX · 16 Dec 2019

SWTrainspottin said:
They're most likely outdated now, but there's still not a set amount of sets out for ScotRail at this time. If there are any new booked diagrams that started in the new timetable today and I am made aware of them, then I will add them.

Thanks. The daily updates are very useful in any case, to get an idea where they are likely to show up.

Deepgreen · 21 Dec 2019

Excuse my ignorance, but what does the '7' in "Inter7City" represent? I thought they were only four car sets? I scanned the thread but couldn't find confirmation.

Glenn1969 · 21 Dec 2019

Inter 7 Cities maybe?

PG · 21 Dec 2019

7 Scottish cities :

Aberdeen
Dundee
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Inverness
Perth
Stirling

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