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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

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theironroad

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PIS screens are the same that were installed in Gatwick Express days by the looks of it.

Ah, makes sense. Don't think Gatex had the issue of short platforms, but imagine they could mod the software somehow. Without a tms, I guess the pis code would have to be entered in the leading cab and then that always becomes coach 1. Then I guess there is the issue of whether the software could handle sequential numbering ...... Maybe letters are easier lol
 
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I think as an idea it will work, but it’s possible that station CIS screens will need this information too, especially during disruption with SSO’s. The issues of the very quiet PA needs resolving too.
 

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Stations aren’t an issue as they can say “front five” and those on the platform can see.
It’s a great idea that the guard can say “if you are in K you need to move forward to E” - really clear and simple.
 

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Ah, makes sense. Don't think Gatex had the issue of short platforms, but imagine they could mod the software somehow.

They did when the units were used on the Southern peak-time Eastbourne-London Bridge-Eastbourne services. With the often inaudible Guard's PA announcement being the only thing to go on, I'd imagine a lot of passengers were overcarried.
 

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Stations aren’t an issue as they can say “front five” and those on the platform can see.
It’s a great idea that the guard can say “if you are in K you need to move forward to E” - really clear and simple.

But how does the average punter know the letter of their carriage?
 

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But how does the average punter know the letter of their carriage?
It’s a letter per unit, not per carriage, as the 442s don’t have full SDO, only unit deselect (i.e. it’s all doors or one unit only). Presumably there are signs in each carriage with the letter on.
 

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They did when the units were used on the Southern peak-time Eastbourne-London Bridge-Eastbourne services. With the often inaudible Guard's PA announcement being the only thing to go on, I'd imagine a lot of passengers were overcarried.

Ah, thanks, didn't realise that.
 

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i think they might have looked a bit nicer if they went for this type of livery rather than bright plain white
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2nd 10 car diagram planned to start from Monday 15th July and this diagram will include Pompey Direct work
 

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See my post at the top of page 122 of 15th June re what I think will be the second diagram. It seems to make sense I think for the reasons stated.
 

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Is the plan to only have 2 diagrams while 3 diagrams are available in case of a failure?
 

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I believe that was the original plan, but as swr train fan says, it was abandoned due to cost issues.
The problem with a light coloured wrap is that you can easily see the vertical joins between vinyl panels, such as on the stripey 158/9, LNER 225s and TPE 185s. This then becomes even more evident through wear.
 

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The problem with a light coloured wrap is that you can easily see the vertical joins between vinyl panels, such as on the stripey 158/9, LNER 225s and TPE 185s. This then becomes even more evident through wear.
Indeed, I saw a 158 in the stripes livery a few days ago and the vertical joins were very clear.
 

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See my post at the top of page 122 of 15th June re what I think will be the second diagram. It seems to make sense I think for the reasons stated.

No it’s not the second Bournemouth starting diagram; the plan is sets will start to stable on Fratton Depot.

So the diagrams will have to be Bournemouth to Fratton (day 1) and Fratton to Bournemouth (day 2) which means the existing diagram is likely to change.
 

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No it’s not the second Bournemouth starting diagram; the plan is sets will start to stable on Fratton Depot.

So the diagrams will have to be Bournemouth to Fratton (day 1) and Fratton to Bournemouth (day 2) which means the existing diagram is likely to change.
Assume there may be a 442 running the 18:18 Poole to WAT super-fast on Sunday then to position a set in Fratton for Monday morning?
 

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Define super fast ?
Well... should really have put it in inverted commas, but I referred to the service as the ‘super-fast’ since it does not call at Southampton Airport or Winchester, usual SWML fast train stops
 

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I feel like an impatient child, but is there any news on what services will be 442 operated from Sunday/Monday? Reading posts on here I think it would be wise to believe that 1B88 and 1B95 will no longer be a pig.
 

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I’ve been keeping a close watch every day on the performance of the 442s since they’ve been used on 9B88 and 9B85. With the exception of a few (three that I’ve seen) arrivals at Waterloo or Poole, they have always arrived late. I am discounting - to be fair - the ones which have been affected by disruption due to emergency services dealing with incidents.

Given that thus far they have been used on a, pretty much, straight run (the SWML), it remains to be seen how they will perform on a winding, undulating ‘direct’ line. True they are to be re-tractioned, but is this imminent realistically?

Some of us have said from the off that SWR made a mistake in taking these 30 year old trains. In retrospect, others will agree while those who remain nostalgic about ‘days gone by’ will always have emotional attachment to these units.

The livery is poor, and gives a ‘Tesco value’ impression of SWR. This could be improved with a bit of imagination. Sadly the company appears to have none. I hope I will be proved wrong and that it will be improved. The interiors were supposed to be ‘as new’. However even these are disappointing. The seats and carpets may be new, but the poor condition of other visible aspects gives the impression of ‘half a job’.

We’ll see how they perform on the Portsmouth line and for how long. Ultimately, tho, these 1980s trains will be overtaken by technological innovation and regulations.
 

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I wouldn't read too much in to the performance on the 442s on those two services. That level of performance sounds about standard for any peak time SWR service, whatever the traction. Need some Off Peak runs really to properly judge.
 

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I wouldn't read too much in to the performance on the 442s on those two services. That level of performance sounds about standard for any peak time SWR service, whatever the traction. Need some Off Peak runs really to properly judge.
Here’s this morning’s snapshot, supporting your words. Arrivals between 0600 & 1000 that called at Winchester:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...19/07/10/0600-1000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
Pretty much average for the time of day then.
 

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Couldn’t agree more with what RichSwitch has mentioned. I’m doubtful as to wether SWR will get any decent performance out of them especially on the Portsmouth Direct. The livery seems to have been beaten onto these units, I’m pretty sure GX livery was a lot smoother however I’m not a fan of the plain grey it looks unfinished.

How long can SWR sustain the 2 drivers per workings ?
 
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