Taylorgb19
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I wonder if the 745 Stansted express will have trolley service come back and the 755s aswell
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Catering on Greater Anglia's new trains (and Filter coffee vs espresso debate)
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I highly doubt it, it would be completely unnecessary on those services.
dk1
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Definatley not from what I've been told. The 755 power pack would be a problem passing too.
The trolley was lucky to even get from one end of the train to the other in the journey time available...
Definitely not the 755s- that the trolley on the Norwich-Cambridge was a loss maker is a something of a disappointment to the management that wanted to introduce it in the first place at Anglia. They wanted it to be a success, it wasn't (unlike the train services themselves)
61653 HTAFC
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Surely not, that can't be right? Modern refreshment trolleys such as the ones used on TPE are pretty narrow, narrower than probably 95% of adults in the UK: I can't imagine that any corridor in the public areas of a train that was too narrow for one of those would ever be approved... are people expected to pass the power pack sideways?
dk1
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Have you been through the power pack? It's not designed for trolleys or heavyweights & most definitely not wheelchairs or the oversized contraptions parents push their offspring around in these days. If you are in the wrong side of it you will be there until the next station if you fall into any of those categories.
61653 HTAFC
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Though presumably it is wide enough for an average-sized adult male to walk through without going sideways? In which case the narrow refreshment trolleys in use today would also fit.
Wheelchairs and pushchairs are another thing altogether, hence current/new-build intra-unit gangways aren't required to be passable by those devices either- yet refreshment trolleys capable of fitting through are in use.
It's all academic anyway, as AGA don't plan to operate trolleys on Stansted Express AIUI.
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dk1
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New trolleys have been purchased by GA to augment the Bistro bar on the 745 IC fleet between Norwich & Liverpool St.
61653 HTAFC
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Cheers. I assume they aren't too fat to fit down the corridors then...
Shunter_69
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The 745’s don’t have the power pack, just the bi modes.
Wivenswold
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Us Brits expect hot drinks. We're not like our friends over the water.
MisterT
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/offtopic: They sell coffee/cappuccino and tea too. Is that hot enough?
They do hot drinks. The water tank is on his back.
306024
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Like to read the risk assessment for that kit, wonder what a full pack weighs? Saw one of these chaps in Holland last week, never saw him sell anything mind. Think we can safely dismiss that appearing on the Norwich line anytime soon.
AlexNL
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Yeah, me too. It must weigh quite a lot as they carry quite a number of things: hot water for tea, coffee (they've switched from instant to brewed coffee lately), snacks like Mars bars, and depending on the time of day they might even stock some croissants. Or beers.
It is profitable enough for NS to continue offering it. They only serve a couple of key routes though, and only on times when they expect to make some sales.
NS wish to expand the routes (and times) served, but they're having a hard time finding people willing to lug all that weight around.
I wonder if you'd ever get the safety case approved in the first place...
dk1
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Now I am really confused. Are you refering to 745 or 755 units?Cheers. I assume they aren't too fat to fit down the corridors then...
dk1
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Back problems are storing up. Don't think that will get passed the first hurdle this side of the North SeaOr instead of pushing a trolley along, they could do something like this instead
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"Railcatering" on Dutch trains looks like this, pic by NS.
colchesterken
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It would be interesting to know what the revenue is from the buffet, now they only do drinks and snacks?
I only do half the run but if I need a hot drink I would get it at mac s or the Tesco opposite the station Twice as good and half the price !
Bearing in mind the whole run is only 2 hrs I would think the take up is low!
I only do half the run but if I need a hot drink I would get it at mac s or the Tesco opposite the station Twice as good and half the price !
Bearing in mind the whole run is only 2 hrs I would think the take up is low!
dubscottie
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I dont know about Anglia but the buffet/trolley on the Dublin-Belfast train takes in a silly amount and the journey times are similar. Its expensive but the majority of people use it.
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perhaps if they powered up the trolley with a battery to provide a useful mini fridge, people might be more tempted by a COLD drink . A luke warm can of coke is none too appetising.
The buffet seems to do quite well with a steady stream of punters on most trips. If I have to be in London in the morning, I'm partial to porridge and tea for breakfast.
I do miss the full restaurant!
Trolly gets less business but is handy for a bottle of water and a bun. Coke is horrible, lukewarm or otherwise.
I do miss the full restaurant!
Trolly gets less business but is handy for a bottle of water and a bun. Coke is horrible, lukewarm or otherwise.
Bletchleyite
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If they could find a reliable way to serve ice with it that is decent enough.
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The catering department normally just about pays for itself, hence it's survival! It sticks around as a bonus for everyone, people really like having the option and the crew like to have coffee on tap.....
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The Dutch like their coffee- I wonder if they're doing something similar to the Ryanair brewed coffee? They have a clever cup/lid thing where you just pour hot water into it, but then there is real ground coffee in it and a filter in the lid. Best coffee I've ever had on a plane, and clearly easy to do with trolleys!
Regarding passing through the power packs on the 755s- I can't imagine a trolley would have any problem. I'm sure I've seen a pic somewhere on here- it looked like an elongated gangway on conventional stock. Certainly didn't look any worse than going through the cab ends of joined up 158s, just longer.
The primary reason for the gangway I'm sure is to let the guard through, and it'll be more than wide enough for a person to walk through. If an adult can walk though, then they can push a trolley!
Regarding passing through the power packs on the 755s- I can't imagine a trolley would have any problem. I'm sure I've seen a pic somewhere on here- it looked like an elongated gangway on conventional stock. Certainly didn't look any worse than going through the cab ends of joined up 158s, just longer.
The primary reason for the gangway I'm sure is to let the guard through, and it'll be more than wide enough for a person to walk through. If an adult can walk though, then they can push a trolley!
dk1
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Coffee will be Lavazza filter coffee served direct from air pots. Some are already in use on the current stock where the coffee machines are becoming increasingly unreliable.
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