Interesting, cheers for that.
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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Interesting, cheers for that.
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swt_passenger
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Confirms what you posted a few weeks ago, that the 0628 and 0651 off Parkway were using the wrong stock temporarily...
I’m impressed you can remember what I posted! I struggle to remember what I had for breakfast some days. I believe the early evening Poole run is booked 12/8.450 so I suspect that run will be subject to change at some point.
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I think we discussed the fact that it was probably easier to put the 10.442 into the empty 0628 path that wasn’t already running, rather than change the two things at once. Now that the up service is heading off to Portsmouth on its next working it will presumably have to run at 0651 to avoid a platform being blocked for half an hour longer than planned at Waterloo?
The 1848 Poole is booked 10-442, along with the 2105.
Interlock fault is what I saw suggested, so some kind of door issue.
1P16, ECS to Clapham Yard and back and then 1B95 is a booked LTP 10-442 diagram.
Be interesting to see what the reaction of the commuters on 1P16 is when a 442 turns up in place of a 444 for the first time, I am not expecting it to be particularly positive.
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....but I bet they would prefer a 442 over a 450!
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1P16 was one the first diagram to convert on the Portsmouth Direct line during the 2004 introduction of the class 444s. Previously this diagram has a class 442. The evening return working before the December 2004 'known your numbers' timetable change (17:50?) was also Class 442.
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All the crew diagrams are shown as 12-450 (or 10-444) for everything as the 442s weren’t accepted into traffic when the LTP diagrams were issued. They’ll be STP’d in due course.
samuelmorris
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There were a lot of Mk1s - and also the Mk2 slam door stock went at a similar time. I'm not sure what proportion of all BR stock it was though, maybe a little under half?
theironroad
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The drivers company council negotiations for the may timetable required that all diagrams were returned to the company and were to be amended by tpu to show all desiros on LTP diagrams, though it seems that STP diagrams still do and seem to be changed when signing on. I'm assuming CRO have prior knowledge to roster the correct crews with the required traction knowledge.
theironroad
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Going to need some educating about using the leading external door that's for sure, can see that's going to cause some issues again.
It’ll take a while but they’ll get used to it hopefully. It is a bit of a backward step, granted, but the men and women on the WoE services manage it.
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See post 3839
Thanks - I read that but since it is quite an interchangeable situation with SWR, I was wondering if there had been an update since Fri
theironroad
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Don't expect much change tomorrow. Tbf, 'hamworthy goods ' does say that any change is likely to be in the latter part of the week
2403, 2408, 2410 & 2420. Worth noting 2406 & 2414 are accepted for service, but are yet to be used.
Good to know, thanks.
Assume two units are currently stabled in Fratton depot?
I think they made their way back last night. There was a 10 car set through Southampton about 1800 yesterday heading towards Bournemouth.
Oh, it seems as though SWR are being a little deceptive with the truth as to why there is a continued delay to introduction.
As Train Boy stated, 6 units are signed off and ready, yet SWR continue to stick to their line that the continued fault with the doors is preventing them from introducing further services. SWR’s explanation doesn’t quite seem to stack up
Still plenty of route clearance issues that could cause issues is anything doesn't run to plan.
theironroad
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How recently have swr still being saying it's a door issue?
Just yesterday I was told "unfortunately no further units can be introduced until the door issue is resolved".
Even Andy Mellors himself admitted to me that the problem now lies with NR and has been exacerbated by a lack of drivers. It is frustrating how SWR are trying to brush the problem under the carpet as quietly as possible - most commuters are unaware the 442s are even meant to be being introduced!
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